Another new jackson cs got fxxk up

[Ward]

arent the slatqh's 24.75

I've never had one, but I thought the SLATQH were 22 fret, 25 1/2 scale.

I was thinking there was a USA SLS that was 24 3/4", but I don't have any confirmation on that.

[neilli]

That has to be what happened. The guitar most likely made it through the entire cutting and gluing process as a 24.75" neck with 24 frets, and then only when it was time for the fret slots to be cut was the error discovered.

Surely the fingerboards are already slotted for frets (and inlays) before they're installed? So there's no way a 25.5" scale board would work on a 24.75" guitar whatever they wanted to do about the 'extra' frets...

[Nightbat]

All in all, the length of a fretboard has nothing to do with the scale of a guitar


before I forget:

I wonder if 23 frets and crooked pickups/bridge/tremolo will become options on the Custom Select order form? Or if you have to go full Custom Shop to get that level of customization.

Nope, those will become standard options
If you want a correctly built guitar, the 24th fret, well routed cavities and QC will be an upcharge

[leftykingv2]

Nightbat you keep making me spill my beer man!! You've got to stop!!!

[leftykingv2]

Surely the fingerboards are already slotted for frets (and inlays) before they're installed? So there's no way a 25.5" scale board would work on a 24.75" guitar whatever they wanted to do about the 'extra' frets...

+1 bro! This is what I was trying to say as well and through my drunken typing and reading I couldn't find the words.

[leftykingv2]

I've never seen a shortscale Kelly either, with or without 24 frets. It would be possible to have one built though.

But I was responding to your comment that a "24.75 fret board wouldn't even fit 24 or even 23 frets" Where it was built doesn't come into it.

Maybe my comment would have carried more weight if I was playing my US Fusion instead an import model fwiw, my US Fusion also has 24 frets.

As Ward has pointed out, there have been a number of US production models with 24 frets & 24 3/4" scale. c-man25 may be right that the production archtop also was. And of course there have been shortscale CS builds. IIRC JCFer slayer had a sweet shortscale mahogany Soloist built

See that's my mistake there bro and a +1 to you. I've never even seen a Fusion import or USA for that matter. I hate Pittsburgh for this reason. There are no shops here that even carry USA Jacksons. Guitar Center has some Indonesian crap but I am not interested in that stuff. Also thanks to Ward and VitaminG for the knowledge!!! I appreciate it guys!

[toejam]

As far as I can see there are only two USA models left that even offer the 24.75 scale. One is the KV2T and the other is the 22 fret Mark Morton.

The Morton models are and have always been Japanese.

[leftykingv2]

[QUOTE=toejam;1583840]The Morton models are and have always been Japanese. That's why I love this forum! You can always learn something!!! Thanks Toejam!

[walshula]

before I forget:


Nope, those will become standard options
If you want a correctly built guitar, the 24th fret, well routed cavities and QC will be an upcharge

That is absolutely to classic.

[toejam]

[QUOTE=leftykingv2;1583846]

The Morton models are and have always been Japanese. That's why I love this forum! You can always learn something!!! Thanks Toejam!

No prob. You could always order one from the Custom Shop, though. Mark's personal guitars are CS, and there was a small run of black CS models done here, and I have a pic of a cool 7-string, but the regular production models are Japan. And I'm not sure about the bolt-on D2 offhand, but that might be India.

[RobRR]

Im just trying to picture where this build went wrong... Its pretty safe to assume that the boards are preslotted in bulk... it wouldn't be efficient manufacturing to do each one separately every time it was glued to a neck blank. So that being said, someone had to actively cut off a frets worth of board. Though we'll never know for sure, Id put money on this was done intentionally. Its not like its a 22 when it was supposed to be 24... that would be an easy mistake to make. This absolutely must have been intentional, it would take too much effort for it not to be.

[Nightbat]

I just held a 25.5 and 24.75 24-fretter next to eachother
it would not be possible to have 25.5 scale 23 frets on a 24.75 scale FB

A few possibilities
-The board was too short going from the beginning
-The last saw went too deep and actually cut the FB short

In all cases, people were asleep behind the wheel, keeping just a little faith that they didn't intentionally let it pass, just because it was too late to
correct the mistake

But what I find odd (though I'm not very knowledgeable on neck fabrication)
is in this pic: http://i.imgur.com/kA76yzr.jpg

I would guess with a Tunamatic style neck, the 'plateau', needed for the neck angle (unlike most recessed floyds, where the plateau is flush with the body)
on which the FB is glued, is Pre-routed
Which would -if done that way- immediately show that the FB was too short

..Unless a guitar with that setup has a serious overhang
I noticed on my 24 fretters, the 23rd fret ends before the end of the plateau, while the 24th ends ON the edge (admittedly, these are bolt-ons)

[walshula]

I just held a 25.5 and 24.75 24-fretter next to eachother
it would not be possible to have 25.5 scale 23 frets on a 24.75 scale FB



But what I find odd (though I'm not very knowledgeable on neck fabrication)
is in this pic: http://i.imgur.com/kA76yzr.jpg

I would guess with a Tunamatic style neck, the 'plateau', needed for the neck angle (unlike most recessed floyds, where the plateau is flush with the body)
on which the FB is glued, is Pre-routed
Which would -if done that way- immediately show that the FB was too short

..Unless a guitar with that setup has a serious overhang
I noticed on my 24 fretters, the 23rd fret ends before the end of the plateau, while the 24th ends ON the edge (admittedly, these are bolt-ons)

I just pulled out a 22 and 24 fret Kelly (both USA models) and what is even more particular is that where the body meets the neck in the picture you pasted, it is at the 18th/19th fret, the 24 meets at the 20th/21st fret. The 22 fret kelly body meets right around the 18th/19th fret. So... :think:

[Nightbat]

I just pulled out a 22 and 24 fret Kelly (both USA models) and what is even more particular is that where the body meets the neck in the picture you pasted, it is at the 18th/19th fret, the 24 meets at the 20th/21st fret. The 22 fret kelly body meets right around the 18th/19th fret. So... :think:

Are they both equipped with floyds?
I would venture a guess that the neck has to be set according to where the bridgesaddles are
if because of different measurements a floyd's saddles need to be placed further from the butt of the guitar than a Tunamatic, it would make sense that the neck also extends further out

if that 22 fretter of yours would recieve more frets, this would not change the position of the neck, since the scale doesn't change

..or they changed bridge/p'up routing + neckplacement over the years?


Still continuing on the 7string thread

I like this sentence:

It would make more sense for Jackson anyhow to offer a partial refund. A rebuild will cost them much more

Now, I may be under a rock or something, but I would think, in times of crisis, a customer is even more king than usual
What would be so wrong in demanding a rebuild?
Making Jackson's problem, well,... Jackson's Problem
They are not Wall-Mart, they claim to be top notch guitarbuilders and you're bloody paying for that 'quality' too
This isn't a JS30, nor did you get 50% off in the bargain bin
This isn't the European Chevrolet with all options, it's the friggin Corvette C6 ZO6
Now, if this was an 'off the shelf/order now, get it tomorrow' I would accept a discount
But it was build to spec, with a daunting wait time, and a pretty long production time

[walshula]

Are they both equipped with floyds?
I would venture a guess that the neck has to be set according to where the bridgesaddles are
if because of different measurements a floyd's saddles need to be placed further from the butt of the guitar than a Tunamatic, it would make sense that the neck also extends further out

if that 22 fretter of yours would recieve more frets, this would not change the position of the neck, since the scale doesn't change

..or they changed bridge/p'up routing + neckplacement over the years?

Well, actually, one 22 fretter is a Floyd, the other 2 are Kahler (one trem and one not) and the 24 fret is a Floyd. I was just pointing out how the 23 fretter body falls at the same place as the 22 fret and not the 24. Not sure if that info would be of any help with this discussion or not, it just adds more confusion to my little brain.