Were there any 1984 San dimas soloists with recessed floyds?

[kmanick]

I saw an SL-1 and it has the older neck joint on it but it has a recessed floyd?
the serial number shows it to be a 1984?
what gives?

[neilli]

Nope - someone might have cut a rout underneath it, but it still wouldn't be recessed. Got a pic / serial?

[pianoguyy]

The majority of older models with a floyd have had them installed years later.

[kmanick]

that's what I thought , so this guy has this listed on reverb.com as a 2001 but the serial number does not match and the neck joint looks like an older neck joint
I emailed him and he relisted it $200.00 less but didn't answer any of my questions?
Does this look like a 2001 neck joint to you?
it doesn't to me, what the heck am I looking at here?



link to listing

https://reverb.com/item/927872-jackson-sl1-soloist-black

[shreddermon]

Not sure why you might think that's a 1984? Looks like an SL1, he shows the hangtag with the serial number and date, and the serial on the fretboard seems to match. (Save the pic and adjust it a bit, and it can be made out.) Looks to be as advertised.

And PG, that statement about the "majority" of Floyds being added years later is not remotely accurate. Sure, some very early guitars were mod'd to Floyds after the fact. But there were plenty of factory Floyd'd guitars in the 80s, too.

[pianoguyy]

A serial that starts with U instead of J may make more sense for a 2001.

I can't make out the serial in the fretboard, but the one written on the tag could be a J or U -- 10332.
And the logo is wrong for 84.

[pianoguyy]

that statement about the "majority" of Floyds being added years later is not remotely accurate.

I totally admit that there were floyds originally put on some.
But if you rounded up 1000 randomly selected old jacksons with floyd roses on them. Do you think that more than 500 were original? Of course not. Kahler was what was easily available. That whole "buy it separately, and ship it to us before we proceed with your order" thing that they did back then - it was a bit inconvenient.

But yes, you can absolutely find a lot of units that were oringially floyded.

[shreddermon]

Floyd mods more typically replaced brass vintage trems, which were much more prevalent on Charvels. Jacksons more typically came with a Kahler or Floyd. Or, in the case of RRs, many had TOM string-throughs. So, no, Floyd mods weren't as numerous on San Dimas Jacksons.

[kmanick]

I'm more confused by the neck joint. that does not look like the neck joint on my 2001 SL2 (or am I mistaken here and the picture is misleading)?

[shreddermon]

Honestly, I'm not sure what neck join design was being done in 2001. But the U10xxx serial number, hang tag, SKB case and the guitar's SL1 specs pretty much tell it all. It's a USA Select series SL1. Seems as advertised to me.

Definitely not a San Dimas.

[neilli]

Yeah, it's just an SL1 - forgetting anything else, just the pic of the back shows the larger control rout which negates SD..

[j2379]

Yep ^. Has the big route not an SD era.

[kmanick]

well I just bagged another SL-1 anyway so in the meantime I guess it doesn't really matter, if I don't like the one I just got (from GC's used site)
I may revisit this one if it's still available. I really like the Pro XL soloist I got a few weeks back but the neck on it is a bit slim for my hands
so if this one works out I will be moving that one (if anyone is looking for a dead mint XL Pro soloist) or I may just end up keeping the XL ,
it plays well , just cramps up my hand a bit if I play it for too long.

[LaoWai]

Yeah, the neck joint does look a bit odd from the pic.

But, If I hold my black sl2h at a similar angle, I can see a similar effect.. shadows, lighting etc..

[BlackRR]

"That whole buy it separately, and ship it to us before we proceed with your order thing that they did back then"

I've heard this many times but don't believe this to be entirely true:

1st. I purchased a new Jackson from Guitar Center back in '85 and they had both Kahler and Floyded guitars in stock and I doubt Guitar Center would have taken the time to buy and ship the bridge to Jackson.

2nd. if you look at price lists from back in the day Jackson lists the price for Floyded guitars which again I doubt they would do if you had to ship them the actual bridge.

Perhaps when Floyds first came out this was the case but by '84 '85 I don't think there was any problem getting a Floyded Jackson. Kahler bridges were considered an equal by many at that time and it could be as simple as it was more affordable so many more Kahler equiped guitars were ordered and sold.