New Rhoads LTD / Zakk Wylde Style.

[hippietim]

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Guess you guys don't know much about Jackson history and the how/why they built the approx. 200 LTD's in 1992. They were built to honor Randy Rhoads and commerate his death 10 years prior. Jackson promised NEVER to make any more LTD's in Randy's original configuaration and AMIC/Jackson stayed true to that promise. Yes, the LTD is sacred and Fender screwing with it is NOT COOL.

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I'm not a Jackson scholar but I know why they did the LTD guitars.

How much do they have to deviate to make you happy? I'm being serious here. It's not going to dishonor Randy to make more of his trademark guitars. In fact, quite the opposite.

The only thing doing a run of guitars like the LTD does is anger collectors.

The collectors will get over it once they figure out that the value of their guitars will hold (after perhaps a brief dip). Fender has way more history and so-called sacred things than Jackson will likely ever have. Fender has figured out how to make guitars that more and more people want. Less and less people want Jackson guitars.

The LTD style guitar is probably the guitar most identifiable with Jackson. I'm certain that they'd sell a lot more of those than any other USA model.

Look, if Jackson doesn't do something to generate interest in their guitars they will lose more ground than they already have - I bet they'd become Custom Shop and import only. Heck, that's already the impression you'd get if you go to the #1 music store in the country - buy the MIJ model or "we can order that for you".

If anyone from Jackson is reading, put me down for one LTDish guitar. As long as Greg doesn't go overboard, you can tweak it like he says so it doesn't dishonor the LTD.

[hippietim]

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its the people who have the LTD's and the Strathead Charvels who paid a big price for them that have problems with re-issues and additional runs. Was there a **** storm by the original 200 when the 7 short wings were built?

I say give the people what they want today. Its not like an LTD today is going to be any better than one built on the original run just as a 59 re-issue isn't a 59 or worth as much as a real 59

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Exactly. If anything, I think the reissues have probably drawn more attention to the real things - no way has the price of a real '59 suffered because of the Historics.

Both Fender and Gibson have done a remarkable job of offering reproductions of their most legendary guitars.

[Newc]

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As for "teaking" the design, I disagree. The only things I'd change are the construction methods - use 3-piece instead of one-piece necks/heads. Everything else (inlay size, toggle location, controls, etc etc) would be identical to Randy's - even the Rolls-Royce logo on the truss rod cover. LP-style control cavity cover on the back, 4 knobs, 22 frets on ebony with MOP blocks, both in White and Black and both with pinstripes.

Randy is dead and I seriously doubt he'd give a sh1t if her were still alive. I don't care what Jackson said they'd do. They said they could build a Custom Shop Double Rhoads the way we wanted it, and what did we get? Lots of sloppy work. The "History" of Jackson is already gone, so give the buying public what they will most-likely pursue.
Jackson needs a Killer Rhoads V to compete with the ESP Alexi Gearho model and a large V for the DV8.
Put out a production LTD and a Double RR - problem solved.

Newc

[shreddermon]

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F**k the history and promises [img]/images/graemlins/bs.gif[/img] . They're a company looking to make a profit, and we're consumers asking them to meet a demand. THAT is what's truly holy. The only people who will be upset by a new LTD-style run will be some of the collectors who own the originals, who are really only concerned about losing value on their own (incorrectly, BTW). And, quite frankly, who gives a rat's @ss about those queens because, as Greg himself stated, many will "NEVER BUY A FMIC Jackson" anyway. It's just further ratification of their fantasy that Fender "is running J/C into the ground", even though they had come to that conclusion before the ink was even dry on the purchase contract.

Unless the promise was made to Dolores Rhoads herself, NOTHING honors the man and his legacy more than building an accurate replica of what he played himself. If you followed the no-more-LTDs [img]/images/graemlins/bs.gif[/img] to it's illogical conclusion, Jackson shouldn't be building ANY RRs at all, so as to "honor" Randy. ...What a self-serving crock of s**t! [img]/images/graemlins/eyes.gif[/img]

[LRGman]

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F**k the history and promises [img]/images/graemlins/bs.gif[/img] . They're a company looking to make a profit, and we're consumers asking them to meet a demand. THAT is what's truly holy. The only people who will be upset by a new LTD-style run will be some of the collectors who own the originals, who are really only concerned about losing value on their own (incorrectly, BTW). And, quite frankly, who gives a rat's @ss about those queens because, as Greg himself stated, many will "NEVER BUY A FMIC Jackson" anyway. It's just further ratification of their fantasy that Fender "is running J/C into the ground", even though they had come to that conclusion before the ink was even dry on the purchase contract.

Unless the promise was made to Dolores Rhoads herself, NOTHING honors the man and his legacy more than building an accurate replica of what he played himself. If you followed the no-more-LTDs [img]/images/graemlins/bs.gif[/img] to it's illogical conclusion, Jackson shouldn't be building ANY RRs at all, so as to "honor" Randy. ...What a self-serving crock of s**t! [img]/images/graemlins/eyes.gif[/img]

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I guess I never thought how hypocritcal it is for someone who swears to never buy a guitar from a company giving their opinion of what they should or shlouldn't do. I had to have a chuckle over that. Lighten up Greg your guitars will still be worth cash.

I guess it just comes from a different outlook. I want Jackson to carry on and increase its market share which can only bring interesting guitars in the future. In all reality as something becomes a commodity, everyone wants the original. 10 years ago you could pickup 70's les pauls for 5-6bills and mint late 60's early 70's strats for 1k. What are they going for now?

[brett8388]

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Exactly. If anything, I think the reissues have probably drawn more attention to the real things - no way has the price of a real '59 suffered because of the Historics

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My thoughts exactly...as someone with 5 LTD's and 1 Shortwing. I probably have more to lose on this than most LTD collectors, but if anything I think the value of the original run will only go up with the renewed interest from another run. These aren't 59 Les Pauls, but they are the most collectible Jackson out there and the original run will always command the highest prices IMO.

Brett

[sully]

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F**k the history and promises [img]/images/graemlins/bs.gif[/img] . They're a company looking to make a profit, and we're consumers asking them to meet a demand. THAT is what's truly holy. The only people who will be upset by a new LTD-style run will be some of the collectors who own the originals, who are really only concerned about losing value on their own (incorrectly, BTW). And, quite frankly, who gives a rat's @ss about those queens because, as Greg himself stated, many will "NEVER BUY A FMIC Jackson" anyway. It's just further ratification of their fantasy that Fender "is running J/C into the ground", even though they had come to that conclusion before the ink was even dry on the purchase contract.

Unless the promise was made to Dolores Rhoads herself, NOTHING honors the man and his legacy more than building an accurate replica of what he played himself. If you followed the no-more-LTDs [img]/images/graemlins/bs.gif[/img] to it's illogical conclusion, Jackson shouldn't be building ANY RRs at all, so as to "honor" Randy. ...What a self-serving crock of s**t! [img]/images/graemlins/eyes.gif[/img]

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sully

[hammer84]

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I'm with Brett and Tim,
I don't see the price of 57 strats dropping ??? Crap there are more "reissue" strat models than anyone can remember. The more Jackson on the street, the more popular the brand the more in demand the "vintage" ones become.

Some collectors have the 3rd grade mentality of "I have one and you don't, nanny, nanny, poo poo" I collect becuse I LOVE the guitars I own. I don't if Joe Bob has on too.

The more people become aware of Jackson and the history of the guitars the larger the buyers base becomes.

[StukaJU87]

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I say, if the public wants it, build it. Chevy started building convertible Vettes again after saying they were discontinued in the 70's. Gibson made more Explorers after the LTD run in '76. Anyone who would be mad that Jackson made these is probably worried more about their "investment" than Jackson's promise not to make anymore. I am sorry, I can only see this run as a good thing.

[sully]

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They said they could build a Custom Shop Double Rhoads the way we wanted it, and what did we get? Lots of sloppy work.
Newc

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please elaborate on this; i'm curious to know what sloppy work is on yours, considering you haven't mentioned anything suggesting that.

sully

[shreddermon]

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You sir, are the JCF Hero of the day! [img]/images/graemlins/notworthy.gif[/img]
To show our appreciation, you get to noose the member of your choice! Choose wisely; the noose is a harsh mistress and not something to take lightly!

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By popular demand, Ron.

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Re: New Rhoads LTD / Zakk Wylde Style.

I have no comment about the holy Jackson family, but I was wondering about the first fret inlay on Wylde's new LTD. I remember people commenting that the first fret inlay was huge, but now that we all noticed that the inlay is actually inverted on the original LTD's, is this still the case? Or is Zakk's actually a huge square inlay rather than being inverted like the original LTD's? I don;t have a photo handy to compare.

[shreddermon]

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[img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] ...j/k, 'ya big susquatch!... [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[~K~]

Re: New Rhoads LTD / Zakk Wylde Style.

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They said they could build a Custom Shop Double Rhoads the way we wanted it, and what did we get? Lots of sloppy work.
Newc


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it's always funny how they are happy in private but willing to cause a **** storm in public ..lets face it, it's that mentality right there that killed the series .. Everyone of the customers were at the least satisfied with the final product including you. I find it pretty upsetting that now in a public atmosphere your level of satisfaction has changed .... not bad considering you personally wanted to champion JCF-03 ...

[hippietim]

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JCF-02 rules!