New Rhoads LTD / Zakk Wylde Style.

[sully]

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2nd) Wood- They did NOT almost make a mistake by using the wrong wood and thats a distortion of the truth. They simply asked if they could use the alternate wood and when we said no they complied

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actually, there were two work orders submitted. the first one had alder as the wing wood, and this is the order that made it to the c/s. as you remember, the roughsanded prototype (not the prototype that ej owns now) that i checked out had alder for wings, and that's when we confirmed that the wings should be poplar. that's when it was realized that they had the previous work order.

sully

[sully]

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Of course a company business ect should honor it's word. But one point you are missing is that company that gave its word no longer exists.

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my point exactly. and then i think, "how in the hell will this impact my life?" and then answer is that it pretty much won't in any way. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

sully

[gtrbuyer]

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that is not quite right sully...it will impact your life a little because I would buy one and need your help getting it up on my site...lol

[j2379]

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IIRC didnt they have an agreement with Delores Rhoads when they made the LTDs. also i do agree with Greg in some ways, to say your going to make a set # of guitars then go & make more is kind of not cool. I understand its a business & that its about $ & sales. on the other hand reissues if done correctly (close but not exact)usually make the originals even more sought after & collectable. just my $.02 especially since i dont think ide ever own one tho i would love to own one the protos Mike made i just dont think i could or would drop that kind of $ on a guitar.

[SeventhSon]

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I'm amazed at how many of you guys don't think a company should honor it's word. That's the point pure and simple. Screw the "collecors metality" line of bull$hit, that has nothing to do with it. Lie to your customers and you'll lose their respect and business. This same principal applies to dealers to as all you JCF02 guys have seen recently.


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I agree with Greg. Artists (as in painting) have to honor their limited run reproductions or else the whole limited run thingie goes down the toilet...for various reasons...taking the bottom out of what you promised was going to be an investment *and* lying in general. A 200 run Kinkaid (gawd, I hate his paintings) will never get resurrected. Ever. I talked to an art dealer about this...he said it would be suicide for an artist to not honor a limited run of his original.

Same deal with sports memorobilia.

A limited run is an implicit contract. You can't have your cake and eat it to. "hey, there are only going to be 200 of these...pay 4k for it because there will never be another." 10 years later, "remember how we suckered those 200 for 4k each because of our lies, let's do it again!"

[hippietim]

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So then what should Jackson do? Keep on shriveling up? Continue to have zero presence in the top music retailers because they don't make guitars folks can identify with?

[LesPaulCustom]

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<font color="yellow"> Right or wrong in our collective opinions, it really doesn't matter. The fact is that FMIC now owns Jackson. Fender didn't dump MILLIONS of dollars into Jackson to upgrade their facilities, hire new people, bring Mike Shannon back and actively promote these guitars in magazines etc. to lose money.

Obviously, there is a market for these in Fender's/Jackson's eyes.

I don't understand how the release of these guitars will decrease the value of the original 200 or so Ltd's on the market.

It seems kinda simple to me, if you want one, buy one, if you don't want one, don't. How hard is that??

Admittedly, Big Red was probbably my first new USA Jackson purchase I've ever done, and quite possibly my last, not that I don't think it's a great instrument (it is [img]/images/graemlins/drool2.gif[/img]), but I'm honestly into the older Jackson's. Nothing against the new ones at all, just not for me [img]/images/graemlins/refuse.gif[/img]

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[dinkyjacksonman]

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I would buy one if it becomes available.
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[sully]

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that is not quite right sully...it will impact your life a little because I would buy one and need your help getting it up on my site...lol

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that's awesome!

sully

[sully]

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um...and let's keep in mind that this is ALL speculation; just because someone's got a bunch of them on order doesn't mean that order will be filled. then again, if you make it different enough, i'm sure they'd do it.

again, i really don't think that fmic era is too worried about keeping agreements that amic era made.

please unwad.

sully

[Number Of The Priest]

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please unwad.

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[img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] I have NEVER heard simply "please unwad" on its own before without "panties" being included in there. [img]/images/graemlins/notworthy.gif[/img] I can feel it creeping into my lingo now... [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[Venomboy]

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Is there even anyone at Jackson from the AMIC era that remembers any promises made back then?

I could care less if Jackson made 1 or 1,000,000 LTD's. They're cool guitars and if more people can get their hands on them, that's cool with me. As far as businesses keeping their promises, I've come to realize that most of them don't. I respect the ones that do but I'm not gonna come down hard on Jackson if they make a few extra geetars.

[Zerberus]

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IMO, iuf you guys would prefer Jackson to be Import and CS Only, with most of the Imports then coming from cheapass countries that don´t know what Human rights are (China, Indonesia....), then just keep it up....

They´re here to earn money, something they haven´t done in a while. And I´ll be damned if I were CEO and let the opinion of a few collectors (and a promise I never made) stand in the way of that [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

But if you´re all so pissed, then just buy ESP, they stick to their word [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[ranalli]

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I personally think the limited run stuff is gay....bigtime. Why limit yourself to a set number of guitars to sell that are obviously popular.

If you're buying a guitar to stick in a closet as a collector well you can still do so....just most other people will be buying to play.

It's nice to see a company honor their word although I don't think it's good business for Jackson to do that again....why limit your sale market and options....unless of course you're commanding the same amount of money that Gibson does.

[SeventhSon]

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The whole sports memorobilia industry is based on limited runs (only x autographed pictures of Barry Bonds hitting his 700th homerun). They advertise the limit to drive up prices...you know, low supply, high demand?

Now it might be gay to do this with guitar runs, but like I said, you can't have your cake and eat it to. Make quick coin by creating the illusion of low supply by saying it's a limited run, then, after collecting artificially high prices for each guitar, make it a production run.

Sure, FMIC can do whatever they want. Of course they're trying to build a successful business, and I'm not trying to deny them the right to do so. All I'm saying is that IF they produce more LTDs, then no one moving forward will ever believe a limited run is really a limited run. So, they'll make money on the new LTDs at the cost of pissing off 200 original LTD owners and forfeiting investor like prices on future limited runs (after all...who's really going to believe them?).

Anyway, we're just arguing the hypothetical...this is all just conjecture at this point.