SL2H Neck

[joshcrawford]

Re: SL2H Neck

I've had bolt ons and neck thrus... prefer neck thru as it just feels better in my hands. My Wolfgang Standard is bolt on and it sustains just as well as my SL1 and SL2H. If you have a good tight pocket on a bolt on it will sustain just as good as a neck thru or set neck guitar.

My wolfie seems a bit more stable with extreme temp changes as well!

[Number Of The Priest]

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The different neck construction types give different tone and feel, if anything. Sustain is not an issue with neck construction unless the neck is not properly attached to the body.

The cheap companies primarily exploit the bolt-on design, and these guitars won't give you great sustain that a quality made guitar (regardless of neck construction design) will offer. This is probably what started this whole "bolt-ons have crappy sustain" issue.

He who created that stupid rumor that neckthroughs have superior sustain over bolt-ons was full of it. He who perpetuates the stupid rumor these days is even more full of it.

The Trooper, when you're talking about your EMG-loaded bolt-on guitar having less sustain, that is an individual case. You are unfairly making a sweeping generalization that ALL bolt-on necks are inferior in the sustain department. A crappily made neckthrough will have less sustain than a well-made bolt-on. Depends on the quality of the joint.

[HuntinDoug]

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Dave,
I have never played a DK1. I have owned several DK2's. Personally, I prefer a neck thru. As far as sustain goes. I think sustain has to do more with the wood than the neck/body joint type. I have a MAH set neck Ibanez Artist that sustains for days....but, it doesnt have that great feel you get with a Soloist.

So, Let's get back to the original question ....SL2 -vs- DK2 (orDK1). If you like the feel of a DK2, and thats what you are looking for in a USA Jackson, I would lean toward a DK1. You'll get the same neck profile, and feel (I think). [img]graemlins/scratchhead.gif[/img] I suggest you contact Scott at Vwall guitars. He can set you on the right track. He knows a lot about Jackson necks & models.

http://www.vwallguitars.com/

[The Trooper]

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ok if you all say so. [img]graemlins/bs.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/bs.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/bs.gif[/img]

[Kwcbv]

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I have a DK2 and a SL2H (and soon a SL1 [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img] ) and I noticed the neck on the SL2H to be a little fatter and perhaps a bit wider. I love to shred and have no problems on the SL2H, in fact I think it has the finest neck I have ever played.

As far as the bolt-on/neckthrough debate I think neckthroughs may have better sustain but the real advantage is that a single piece of wood can be used for the entire region where the string vibrates. This should also contribute to better "tone" as well.

Remember, sustain will always be compromised by the floyd rose. That being said, I once put my SL2H down, accidentally hit the low E, decided to go away for the weekend, returned home and the thing was still ringing. Point, Jacksons have incredible sustain!

Lastly, there is a lot of difference in the "feel" between the DK2 and the SL2. Even if you choose a DK2, you will always GAS for the SL2.

Later,

KC

[VitaminG]

Re: SL2H Neck

Originally posted by Kwcbv:

As far as the bolt-on/neckthrough debate I think neckthroughs may have better sustain but the real advantage is that a single piece of wood can be used for the entire region where the string vibrates. This should also contribute to better "tone" as well.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">But that "single piece of wood" is routed through twice (3 times in the case of an SL1) to accommodate the pickups. So there isn't one single piece of wood running the length of the strings from nut to bridge, unless your Soloist has piezo pickups.

And then, if your guitar has a Floyd, I think the trem posts actually sit outside of that maple centre strip, and therefore the resonant contact the bridge end of your strings will have with the guitar body will be with alder wings. I may be wrong about that, anyone have pics of a trans finish Soloist without some kind of maple cap?

[TDurden]

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VitaminG is absolutely right! The center piece is narrower than the pickups, to it's totally cut in three (sl2h) or four(sl1) pieces by the pickup routings. And the floyd posts do sit in alder as he said. The only real advatage you get from the neck through design is the access to upper frets. I know I love it, that's why I have two SL2Hs.

[Number Of The Priest]

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Exactly. The Jackson Floyded neckthrough is not a true neckthrough anyways, but rather, it is like a "very deep set-neck"... so deep that it pushes the heel so far into the body that it feels like there's no bulky heel getting in your way.

I remember we had this "Jackson Floyded neckthroughs are not true neckthroughs" debate some months ago. I mean, who really gives a crap? Neckthrough gives me good access to the upper frets. That's all I care about. Sustain and tone can always be generated by your amp and effects units.

Want a close-to-true neckthrough? Get a TOM bridged one-hum "neckthrough".

[slayer]

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Trooper, you say your bolt on with EMG81s doesn`t sustain for shit, my Hamer Chapp has an EMG 85 in the bridge and sustains very well, as well as my SL2H. so it must be your guitar or amp? Jack.

[deviltronix]

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The bolt-on GMW I recently bought from Toru has the best sustain of any of my guitars. It is the first thing my guitar friends comment on. It may be the Dimarzio Fred in there. Regardless, it blows the neckthru myth out of the water.

rich

[VitaminG]

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yea, what sort of guitar is it, Trooper? It may be the build quality of the guitar, or maybe it has some other, hardware-related issues causing your sustain problems.

[The Trooper]

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BC Rich Virgin,

its pretty old plus has dead notes and bad fret buzz, ive tried adjusting the bridge and so forth but nothing, i dont wanna pay money for it to be fixed, as i have a Jackson SL2H on the way which im hoping will be perfect in setup. I play through a Marshall AVT275 Vavlestate, and when u hold a note u get bad noise when the note fades out.

I like bolt ons though as the unfinished neck feels nicer to me and smoother

[2Loud2Old]

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Ahh.. well. you must be right then.

Or maybe it's the fact that you're playing a Virgin.

Tell me, did you get the "Bronze" model.. or did you go all the way and grab an NJ version.

I mean, if a $300 BC. Rich bolt-on sounds like crap.. a $1200 + Bolt-on Jackson must suck too. [img]graemlins/brow.gif[/img]

I'm sure you can get some good sounds out of your guitar. Well, *I* could, anyway. [img]graemlins/poke.gif[/img]

Seriously, your post tells me you're one of those dangerous people.. the kind that THINK they know what they're talking about.

Statements like "Thats why bottom end guitars have bolt on's not neck thru's," Pretty much tell me you have an ill informed opinion.

Telling these people over here that THEY're full of shit is the wrong move.

NOBODY knows more about Jacksons and guitars than the people here.. period.

If THEY say it's so.. it's so.

[The Trooper]

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Firstly i dont want to argue on a message board,

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I mean, if a $300 BC. Rich bolt-on sounds like crap.. a $1200 + Bolt-on Jackson must suck too.
"I'm sure you can get some good sounds out of your guitar. Well, *I* could, anyway"

Yes of course coz they have exactly the same materials and hardware dont they, you must be correct, my guitar is a broken and is busted, so how could u possibly get a sound out of it.And im not telling anyone anything, im giving a opinon and im entitled to it thank you, as everyone is. and, i dont see where i tell people are full of shit. i think your the one bringing bad vibes with comments and accusations like that, we are mearly having a debate which has been going for years and years, that mature people and people on all ability levels can discuss, and not throw their weight around because they are too arrogant to listen or respect anyone elses opinon whether they agree or disagree about. This is the last im mentioning the matter as i dont have the time and energy to engage in arguments on a message board.

[2Loud2Old]

Re: SL2H Neck

Originally posted by The Trooper:
ok if you all say so. [img]graemlins/bs.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/bs.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/bs.gif[/img]

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">So.. Thats not telling other you think they're full of shit?!?

Looks like it to me.

"Thats why bottom end guitars have bolt on's not neck thru's,"

I mean, come on... thats about the most ignorant statement about guitar construction I've ever heard.

My point was, the people telling you you're wrong are people who have been/currently are PROFESSIONAL musicians and/or experienced luthiers and guitar collectors.

(I'm not including myself in this group)

It's fairly safe to assume that their opinion just might have a WEE more weight than yours, in matters of guitar construction.

BTW, I'm not ragging on your difference of opinion.. I'm ragging on the rather discourteous way you voiced you disagreeal.