Very pissed off with the Custom Shop...

[AK47]

I'll see what's up with that, it doesn't make sense:

"You used to able able to order the gold hand painted logo as well as pinstripes on any order."

Hey McD I made a thread with a whole list of restriction that have been in the last year enforced that really are off the wall I will see if I can find the thread some of them were obvious like the no Gibson shapes but it listed everything.

Edited here is a link some people added some stuff but the first post is accurate:

http://www.jcfonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68062

[VitaminG]

I was kind of expecting to see a thread like this, after watching Chromatic assembling specs on the OJ (Original Jackson). I half expected to see someone mention in one of those other threads that Jackson wouldn't build him one. But then, maybe he was getting the specs together to have an independent guitar maker build him one.

[Chromatic]

I'm back...

thanks for the links and custom shop options offered.

I am looking to make my guitar with Ran or Shamray

which Custom Shop do you think will make the guitar better and more freely?

already sent the specs to both of them and we shall discuss prices

[AK47]

Go get it quick your exact specs thats what shortwing means:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Jackson-LTD-Randy-Rhoads-Guitar-MINT-String-Thru_W0QQitemZ220161007644QQihZ012QQcategoryZ33044QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Newc]

Can someone explain to me what the rotating the first block inlay business is about?

As I understand, Gibson has some sort of trademark or patent on the block inlay design (hey look, you CAN copyright basic geometric shapes! I claim the circle, including spheres, orbs, drops, and any derivative form )

Anyhoo, for some reason (whether to escape Gibson's persecution or just to be different) the first block had to be rotated 90 degrees (it's actually a rectangle, so it's noticeably different).

It's retarded, but there ya go.


IMO the limitation on the Concorde is two-fold: one, no one has to pay Delores any royalties, and two, everybody and their mother doesn't have a Concorde.

I mean, imagine Alexi bursting onto the scene playing a Concorde Jackson, and the wee kids not knowing who Rhoads was (after all, many believe Metallica's first album was Black). Suddenly Alexi gets all the credit for it, with no mention of Randy, or at least it's not "common knowledge" like it should be. "Those in the know" would know it (like us) but the average music fan who was wanting an "Alexi Laiho Jackson" would not know it was Randy's design, and the very first Jackson design.

There are certain historical landmarks that should not be duplicated. Personally I thought the LTD was a travesty in itself, and McD's reasoning above perpetuates the travesty IMO. The original should have been left an only child.

I mean, how impressive is the Eiffel Tower if your redneck neighbor has one? How majestic is the Taj Mahal if WalMart builds their stores to look like it?

Not very.

Limited Editions typically breed greed and envy, and these are things that - as I understand it - were not traits Randy displayed.

Moving ahead with Randy's "missing NAMM" design (RR Custom/Rhoads USA/RR1, etc) would be fine, but the PCS and LTD runs should never have been done, in my opinion.

[excon]

I can understand why certain inventions need to be patented, but how the hell can you copyright a guitar shape. IT‘S JUST A DAMN SHAPE!!! Shouldn’t people have a right to have a guitar manufacturer make a guitar in whatever shape they choose. It’s like people don’t matter anymore. Anyone who wants a guitar from Ran or others better hurry up and get it because it’s just a matter of time before the greedy bastard corporations unleash their greedy bastard lawyers and fuck the guitar market up for everyone. This is just one example of how corporations are screwing everyone all over the world.

[AK47]

Does anyone know when they become public domain?

[Newc]

Some patents can live as long as 100 years after the inventor's death (if he is the one who patented it). Others never expire, AFAIK.

If a patent is sold, I think it is tied to the new owner's life, not sure.


The one thing no one can ever fully explain in a logical, factual form is "Why".

Why do you want a Randy Rhoads Concorde?

Why would you want an EVH Charvel/Kramer/Wolfgang?

Is it just a guitar, like a Les Paul or Soloist? Is it some sort of "connection" to the artist?

[AK47]

Some patents can live as long as 100 years after the inventor's death (if he is the one who patented it). Others never expire, AFAIK.

If a patent is sold, I think it is tied to the new owner's life, not sure.


The one thing no one can ever fully explain in a logical, factual form is "Why".

Why do you want a Randy Rhoads Concorde?

Why would you want an EVH Charvel/Kramer/Wolfgang?

Is it just a guitar, like a Les Paul or Soloist? Is it some sort of "connection" to the artist?

The reason I ask is that for example the Colt 1911 pistol is public domain and 20+ different companies make there own version of it, cant wait for the Gibson and Fender strat shapes to be public domain.

You can never really answer "Why" logically someone wants a concorde or wolfgang, its just what someone wants for whatever reason. I think nostalgia is a major reason why but why spend big bucks on a old Shelby Cobra when you can get a Honda for a grand both get you to point A and B, its just a matter of taste and preference

[levantin]

It's time to take action over these outrages. I call for a "Million Mullet March".

Cool! All I need now is a mullet!

I mean, imagine Alexi bursting onto the scene playing a Concorde Jackson, and the wee kids not knowing who Rhoads was (after all, many believe Metallica's first album was Black). Suddenly Alexi gets all the credit for it, with no mention of Randy, or at least it's not "common knowledge" like it should be. "Those in the know" would know it (like us) but the average music fan who was wanting an "Alexi Laiho Jackson" would not know it was Randy's design, and the very first Jackson design.

There are certain historical landmarks that should not be duplicated. Personally I thought the LTD was a travesty in itself, and McD's reasoning above perpetuates the travesty IMO. The original should have been left an only child.

I mean, how impressive is the Eiffel Tower if your redneck neighbor has one? How majestic is the Taj Mahal if WalMart builds their stores to look like it?

Not very.

Limited Editions typically breed greed and envy, and these are things that - as I understand it - were not traits Randy displayed.

Moving ahead with Randy's "missing NAMM" design (RR Custom/Rhoads USA/RR1, etc) would be fine, but the PCS and LTD runs should never have been done, in my opinion.

I don't agree. I used to think that the explorer was an ESP design when I was a child because James Hetfield played one. In a very short space of time I found out it was a gibbo design. Where's the harm? A 12 year old isn't going to go about ordering custom guitars? Even if a kid went to a store to order an Alexi Laiho Jackson he's soon find out that it's actually a Rhoads.

I think that when you order a custom guitar associated with an artist a closely as Randy and the concorde, you do it as a tribute to the artist. If you build a replica of the taj mahal in your backyard as a tribute to the original does it de-value the original or make it any less majestic?

Lastly, I think the block inlay thing is weak. Wow. I'm speechless.

[excon]

Cool! All I need now is a mullet!



I don't agree. I used to think that the explorer was an ESP design when I was a child because James Hetfield played one. In a very short space of time I found out it was a gibbo design. Where's the harm? A 12 year old isn't going to go about ordering custom guitars? Even if a kid went to a store to order an Alexi Laiho Jackson he's soon find out that it's actually a Rhoads.

I think that when you order a custom guitar associated with an artist a closely as Randy and the concorde, you do it as a tribute to the artist. If you build a replica of the taj mahal in your backyard as a tribute to the original does it de-value the original or make it any less majestic?

Lastly, I think the block inlay thing is weak. Wow. I'm speechless.

Nothing has to be just or even make sense when your dealing with lobbyists, lawyers, and the law. It just has to be paid for with big bucks.

[delt]

Anyone who wants a guitar from Ran or others better hurry up and get it because it’s just a matter of time before the greedy bastard corporations unleash their greedy bastard lawyers and fuck the guitar market up for everyone.

I was just thinking exactly the same thing. But i guess those small companies aren't well known enough, so it's not "lucrative" enough for the big companies to shut them down.

The custom shop gallery on ranguitars.com -kicks ass- btw!!

[Robert Burns]

and another reason to go elsewhere for a real custom built guitar. iirc, fmic built a couple more ltd rhoads guitars right after the buy out. try this guy. ive heard nothing but good about his stuff and he will build you exactly what you want.

http://www.geocities.com/jackalguitars/

Not only great looking designs...but i LOVE his near dead on "Jackle" !!
shouldnt be long if he gets big and famous, that his logo will have to
be changed! But this guy seems like the best fix! Im wondering too...
does he hold on to the completed guitar for another 14 months before
shipping it out like Jacksons CS? :ROTF:

[Robert Burns]

As I understand, Gibson has some sort of trademark or patent on the block inlay design (hey look, you CAN copyright basic geometric shapes! I claim the circle, including spheres, orbs, drops, and any derivative form )

Anyhoo, for some reason (whether to escape Gibson's persecution or just to be different) the first block had to be rotated 90 degrees (it's actually a rectangle, so it's noticeably different).

It's retarded, but there ya go.


IMO the limitation on the Concorde is two-fold: one, no one has to pay Delores any royalties, and two, everybody and their mother doesn't have a Concorde.

I mean, imagine Alexi bursting onto the scene playing a Concorde Jackson, and the wee kids not knowing who Rhoads was (after all, many believe Metallica's first album was Black). Suddenly Alexi gets all the credit for it, with no mention of Randy, or at least it's not "common knowledge" like it should be. "Those in the know" would know it (like us) but the average music fan who was wanting an "Alexi Laiho Jackson" would not know it was Randy's design, and the very first Jackson design.

There are certain historical landmarks that should not be duplicated. Personally I thought the LTD was a travesty in itself, and McD's reasoning above perpetuates the travesty IMO. The original should have been left an only child.

I mean, how impressive is the Eiffel Tower if your redneck neighbor has one? How majestic is the Taj Mahal if WalMart builds their stores to look like it?

Not very.

Limited Editions typically breed greed and envy, and these are things that - as I understand it - were not traits Randy displayed.

Moving ahead with Randy's "missing NAMM" design (RR Custom/Rhoads USA/RR1, etc) would be fine, but the PCS and LTD runs should never have been done, in my opinion.

*** "I claim the Circle" !! Too funny. Hey, i was going to drive down
the quicky Mart..for some ice...but now i see that my wheels and tires
are round..so can i pay you say a percentage every month to drive my
cars?

[Frigo89]

Fuck this noise, Im gonna go copyright the grand piano shape!