(pre-) Fender Jacksons

[toejam]

SUNBANE Please do a little research before you vent a blast of nonsense that isn't true. In all actuallity the staff building Jackson are all the original guys including Mike Shannon, Pablo Santana, and Grover Jackson himself. Unless someone is diguising themselves to look like them, then 2 weeks ago they were still there. As far as Alexi I am not sure where you made that one up but please for the sake spreading news, please don't make up things that are not true just to get attention.

Man, the sarcasm went right over your head. :ROTF:

[Jack Napalm]

Check this out, a post Fender Jackson as described by Sunbane:

If it only had a floyd...

[Shawn]

Absolutely one of the funnier threads in quite some time!

Outstanding Bane!

[Mordor]

It could be the plot for the next Tenacious D movie

[MEX3]

I've noticed more reports of issues like twisted necks, poor fretwork, off center trem/pickup routs and the like. And for a while at least, they were using very ruddy looking ebony boards. I think the failure to follow a work order is a post FMIC thing too. They can still make some good guitars. They just kick out way more dogs now than they used to.
Just my 2¢

[StukaJU87]

I think they kick out way more dogs only because they are kicking out way more guitars these days.

[DonP]

I have 3 USA neck thrus - a 1992 RR1, a 1995 RR1 and a 2005 SL2H. I wouldn't be able to tell the difference if blindfolded. Neck profiles all similar; quality is great on all 3.

[pro-fusion]

Check this out, a post Fender Jackson as described by Sunbane:

Is that a Masterbuilt?

[levantin]

Is that a Masterbuilt?

no, it's master-cobbled-together. Do not underestimate the power of the kell-o-caster!

[Sunbane]

no, it's master-cobbled-together.

:ROTF: :ROTF:

[VitaminG]

Check this out, a post Fender Jackson as described by Sunbane:

wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. That's not a Tele/Kelly. It's not butterscotch, it should have black tele-like pickguard & DEFINITELY not a trad trem. What were you thinking, man?

SUNBANE Please do a little research before you vent a blast of nonsense that isn't true. In all actuallity the staff building Jackson are all the original guys including Mike Shannon, Pablo Santana, and Grover Jackson himself. Unless someone is diguising themselves to look like them, then 2 weeks ago they were still there. As far as Alexi I am not sure where you made that one up but please for the sake spreading news, please don't make up things that are not true just to get attention.

It was a joke, playing on the panic we all saw from some quarters with the first announcement of Fender's taking over of Jackson. Read it again.

I have 3 USA neck thrus - a 1992 RR1, a 1995 RR1 and a 2005 SL2H. I wouldn't be able to tell the difference if blindfolded. Neck profiles all similar; quality is great on all 3.

Wouldn't the points on the Vees give it away?

[Fretboard]

Thx for the answers. My question was ment kinda specificly. Like do they use other machines to make them, and with the same people, at the same plants,...
Maybe that wasnt so clear. These aspects doesnt seem to have changed, do they? So in theory they should be off equal level.

PS: Sorry for my English. It could be that i write stuff that doesnt exist, but languages never were my best thingies in school.

[MEX3]

I think they kick out way more dogs only because they are kicking out way more guitars these days.

You may have a point. Using U20122 as the tail end of 2007 production, it looks like they've been averaging around 1600 USA selects a year since 2001. If you take the first 7 years of USA select production,(1990-1996) they averaged around 572 guitars a year. I don't think they have time to QC anything. Slap em together, kick em out the door and pray they don't come back for warranty work.

[Sunbane]

Thx for the answers. My question was ment kinda specificly. Like do they use other machines to make them, and with the same people, at the same plants,...
Maybe that wasnt so clear. These aspects doesnt seem to have changed, do they? So in theory they should be off equal level.

PS: Sorry for my English. It could be that i write stuff that doesnt exist, but languages never were my best thingies in school.

To flesh out my earlier answer... ...on a more serious note:

Yes, there were changes to the production of USA Jackson/Charvels after Fender's takeover:

Production was moved to Fender's facilities in Corona, but JCMI has its own little space in there, with its own personnel (so the Jacksons are not made on the same production line as the Fenders).

We do know that JCMI recieved new machines (CNC mills etc) when they moved into their new quarters. I've read someplace that the old ones back in Ontario were in dire need of replacing at that point (but I can't remember who stated that, so take it with a bucket of salt).

As far as I know, a lot of the old work force followed JCMI to Corona. Fender even put Mike Shannon back into the fold (he had up until then been a master builder in the Fender Custom Shop). Grover Jackson's recent appearance seems to be more of a temporary thing - a marketing move, aimed at the "nostalgia" demography.

There have been complaints about QC issues both prior to, and after Fender's buyout.

Edit: So, when you see someone advertising a "Pre-Fender" Jackson, it's basically just hot air. Jacksons are still Jacksons. Fenders are still Fenders.

[Carless Walker]

Sunbane, Thanks for the laugh!