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[MikeStrat]

I don't think a ton of people are saying they shouldn't introduce imports. The issue is that they're not doing anything interesting with the USA line. I also don't understand why you have to make this about the US economy.

I do think they should have imports. Those lines will keep the cash flowing through the company The economy is part of the issue because most "high end" anything is down as a result.

All I'm saying is the guitars that made them so desirable in the 80's were the higher quality USA models. The guitars we had to work hard and save up for. And when we got it, it was worth every penny.

I'm really talking about ridiculous wait times, overblown custom shop pricing and quality control issues. It's not elitist at all. Those who really know this company and these guitars know it's a shell of it former self. Somebody show me a really nice USA CS Jackson that does not have a blood spitting, fire breathing, skull fucking graphic, with no qc issues that has come out in the last 18 months. I can tell you there are not many.

[Grandturk]

I'd say Jackson should test the waters to see how many 7 strings they sell out of their import range. If they move a lot of them, then it may be time for a USA Select 7 string.

Let's face it, if they came out with a 7 string USA Select Soloist, everyone would complain that its not a RR, or a Warrior, or a King V, et al.

[Ben...]

I'd say Jackson should test the waters to see how many 7 strings they sell out of their import range. If they move a lot of them, then it may be time for a USA Select 7 string.

Let's face it, if they came out with a 7 string USA Select Soloist, everyone would complain that its not a RR, or a Warrior, or a King V, et al.

I would happily buy one of those 7-string SLATs they are introducing... if it wasn't about $1200 to get one. I can get a custom Carvin with everything I want for $1100 (With a solid colour or natural finish of course).

[Mazz]

I'm really talking about ridiculous wait times, overblown custom shop pricing and quality control issues. It's not elitist at all. Those who really know this company and these guitars know it's a shell of it former self. Somebody show me a really nice USA CS Jackson that does not have a blood spitting, fire breathing, skull fucking graphic, with no qc issues that has come out in the last 18 months. I can tell you there are not many.

http://www.jcfonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1312345#post1312345

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[Nightbat]

The economy is part of the issue because most "high end" anything is down as a result.

This is what I mean, Jackson is a business, and right now, not many businesses are taking risks
the first thing to suffer will be the High-end investments

Jackson won't bet on selling 500 USA select 7 strings, when selling 250 import 7's will yield a higher profit



...But ofcourse not all has been revealed so I might as well be talking out of my ass here

[bibz]

I'm buying an import because the japanese jacksons can be of the highest quality. I'm counting on it. And I'm counting that my support will result in usa 7's. The reason I havent had another 7 since my hellraiser is quality per dollar. You cannot beat the jap jacksons for that...playing my mates dk2m's...its all I need. Sure a heap of stuff could be 'better' but theres no 'need' for it. My SLSMG is everything I like about Jackson too. Amazing design. Strap a floyd and a 7th string on it and I wouldnt need a usa at all.

Model diversity is awesome, but it cannot come at the cost of quality. Schecters just aren't good enough in the fret department imo. Ibanez are horrible in the fretboard/fret per dollar (down under especially). BC Rich are great, and good value. But they don't have jackson necks. Seriously underated is the Jackson neck/fret situation! I obviously not the only one who thinks this way...

[Trem]

Well





So jackson should be an Exclusive brand?

I'm sorry i have no idea what your talking about,
I don't understand the quotes #1 or how they imply what your trying to get across. :think:

This is what I mean, Jackson is a business, and right now, not many businesses are taking risks
the first thing to suffer will be the High-end investments

Jackson won't bet on selling 500 USA select 7 strings, when selling 250 import 7's will yield a higher profit



...But ofcourse not all has been revealed so I might as well be talking out of my ass here

I don't know, at least as i was saying, i'd rather spend 2k on a USa select 7 than a little more than half that on a half assed attempt, that's all, bad economy or not, in fact it makes me rather buy a usa even more than a cheaper import which will be popping up around on ebay for years to come because it's a solid investement, and a world class guitar that you'll not ever really "want" to sell, tho sometimes end up having too :S

imo dropping the lowest low end of the line is the first thing i would do in a bad economy - firstly it makes me sick seeing them all over ebay wasted wood and resources they all end up junk because no one takes care of them or cares about them the next year, but they still keep making more - where is all this shit going?
There's enough low end used shit to fill a generations of new young guitarist out there.
Quality not quantity.

it's a mindset i guess, i'm not a walmart shopper type - i want something better than i would make myself or produce myself if it were me - blow me away with attention to detail and a genuine care for the craft and product.

every damn day i'm using some tool or something made in china (and other places where they pay peanuts for labor), that's broken out of the package or doesn't even last a 10th of the lifetime it should have "oh but it was so cheap wow" after you buy 3 of them and they've all broken, you could have bought 1 for 3x times the cost and have it last for years (hopefully) even that is seeming more rare..

does anyone find the tools and everyday life products/items/things anymore that you think as your buying it, damn this thing is solid well built should last many years? Hell No?

cheap is cheap because it's cheap.

[ekalb09]

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I don't know, at least as i was saying, i'd rather spend 2k on a USa select 7 than a little more than half that on a half assed attempt, that's all, bad economy or not, in fact it makes me rather buy a usa even more than a cheaper import which will be popping up around on ebay for years to come because it's a solid investement, and a world class guitar that you'll not ever really "want" to sell, tho sometimes end up having too :S

imo dropping the lowest low end of the line is the first thing i would do in a bad economy - firstly it makes me sick seeing them all over ebay wasted wood and resources they all end up junk because no one takes care of them or cares about them the next year, but they still keep making more - where is all this shit going?
There's enough low end used shit to fill a generations of new young guitarist out there.
Quality not quantity.

it's a mindset i guess, i'm not a walmart shopper type - i want something better than i would make myself or produce myself if it were me - blow me away with attention to detail and a genuine care for the craft and product.

every damn day i'm using some tool or something made in china (and other places where they pay peanuts for labor), that's broken out of the package or doesn't even last a 10th of the lifetime it should have "oh but it was so cheap wow" after you buy 3 of them and they've all broken, you could have bought 1 for 3x times the cost and have it last for years (hopefully) even that is seeming more rare..

does anyone find the tools and everyday life products/items/things anymore that you think as your buying it, damn this thing is solid well built should last many years? Hell No?

cheap is cheap because it's cheap.

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Fix't, but quoted for truth.

[kmanick]

Being elitist has nothing to do with it.
when someone buys a Les Paul , do they want a 'real" les Paul or an Epiphone?
when I buy a Jackson I want a real Jackosn, and that means USA shop, ebony board with binding real maple tops not veneers and passive duncans not EMGs.
Saying this is elitist is way off base here. I mean If I called you and said I bought you PRS for your birthday and I sent you a cheap indonesion guitar with PRS stamped on the headstock wouldn't you be a little dissapointed?
I hope these jap jackson 7's kick ass but unbound rosewood boards and EMGs , does not say "Jackson" to me.

[Rich#6]

I mean If I called you and said I bought you PRS for your birthday and I sent you a cheap indonesion guitar with PRS stamped on the headstock wouldn't you be a little dissapointed?

Actually they're korean and the SEs are really great guitars.
Since hardly any pros play they how do any new players get into Jackson without the lower models? If they kept the names separate ie epiphone gibson, I'm sure the prices for jackson would be even higher then they are now. :ROTF:

[MikeStrat]

http://www.jcfonline.com/forums/show...45#post1312345

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If you read my post I said there are not many. I know there are a few.... (very few)!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

[Flatpicker]

Somebody show me a really nice USA CS Jackson that does not have a blood spitting, fire breathing, skull fucking graphic, with no qc issues that has come out in the last 18 months. I can tell you there are not many.

How about last 4 months?

http://www.jcfonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101163

3 of these:

http://www.jcfonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101464

http://www.jcfonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100780

I'm not defending Jackson, but, when they do it right it's real good.

[MikeStrat]

How about last 4 months?

http://www.jcfonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101163

3 of these:

http://www.jcfonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101464

http://www.jcfonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100780

I'm not defending Jackson, but, when they do it right it's real good.

Agreed. There are a few. So why does it take a year and a half to get one?

[Jason1212]

Those were all done in under a year. :P

[Pointy]

IMHO the best thing for Jackson would be to:

- Upgrade the Pro series guitars (KE3, RR3 etc) to the RR24 level with OFRs and binding (sure it makes no practical difference but it really does add a whole lot of prestige), maybe ebony fretboards in place of the rosewood ones.
- Raise the price a little but keep it under $1k (talking about street price really, not sure what the RRP and MAP should be)
- Since entry-level Jacksons are here to stay - and probably bring in a lot of cash - create an entry-level brand (call it SIN by Jackson or something) and let it handle all the MII models. It should also include a few MIJ, up to the level of the current Pros.
- There should always be a price gap between the two brands.
- Make a kick-ass acoustic! - hey why not? Factory tuned to Eb of course!

I believe that this works; it has worked for the other companies, it will help keep Jackson's status uncompromised, it will create a natural progression for young first-time buyers into Jackson while maintaining their desire to upgrade, and most likely it will result in better entry-level instruments somewhere along the way.