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  • #16
    I would recommend not being a fucking retard that would drill out a Jackson head stock. I mean it's not like they don't know what they're doing at Jackson. If it needed a retaining bar it would have came equipped with one.
    Last edited by leftykingv2; 01-08-2014, 08:48 AM.
    This is what I think of Gibson since 1993. I HATE BEING LEFT HANDED! I rock out to Baby metal because Wilkinsi said I can't listen to Rick Astley anymore.

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    • #17
      Or a 23rd fret....because ya know...."it's not like they don't know what they're doing"....really wtf do you think they are....Gibson??


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      • #18
        Originally posted by JonSick View Post
        On the issue of retainer bars, I've grown to not like them. I took the one off my FR Strat and found the sustain did improve sustain a buttload!
        Not doubting your experience, but I don't really see how that is possible. Once the nut is locked down, a retainer bar shouldn't be a factor. Unlocked, if it is indeed pushing the strings down further, then it would have an affect on perceived tension/compliance. Whatever the case, if there were any detectible change, I'd think it would be extremely minor at best. But everybody's perception and sensitivity are different.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by BLOOD SPLATTER View Post
          Or a 23rd fret....because ya know...."it's not like they don't know what they're doing"....really wtf do you think they are....Gibson??


          +1 Nice bro!
          This is what I think of Gibson since 1993. I HATE BEING LEFT HANDED! I rock out to Baby metal because Wilkinsi said I can't listen to Rick Astley anymore.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Chad View Post
            Not doubting your experience, but I don't really see how that is possible. Once the nut is locked down, a retainer bar shouldn't be a factor. Unlocked, if it is indeed pushing the strings down further, then it would have an affect on perceived tension/compliance. Whatever the case, if there were any detectible change, I'd think it would be extremely minor at best. But everybody's perception and sensitivity are different.
            +1 I agree. I don't see how this could make a difference once the nut was locked.
            This is what I think of Gibson since 1993. I HATE BEING LEFT HANDED! I rock out to Baby metal because Wilkinsi said I can't listen to Rick Astley anymore.

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            • #21
              The retainer bar has nothing to do with sustain trust me.
              No need to put one on there with the tilt of the headstock.
              Find out if it has a correct nut on it first. Some are shorter than others in height.
              Shimming the nut on the tuner side I have done with success a few times as long as you don't go too far. a small strip of a post it note on the leading edge should do it.
              When using a retainer bar you want the strings parallel with the face of the headstock coming off the tuners back to the retainer bar.
              Last edited by straycat; 01-09-2014, 12:25 AM.
              Really? well screw Mark Twain.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by pianoguyy View Post
                Lets assume that I am going to do it. Lets assume you can't talk me out of it.

                If i wanted to keep the truss cover in use.
                If i wanted to lower all six strings.
                If i wanted to reduce the hard sideways angle coming off the nut of the lower strings.


                How would you recommend I do it?
                To meet all 3 criteria, perhaps a Kahler Floyd-style locknut that has a built in stringing tree would fit the bill. This came stock on a Charvel 3DR I had and I thought it was pretty slick. The string guide is on the back end of the nut and is held in w 2 screws. Here’s an Ebay auction of one that has decent photos:


                I don’t know the naming scheme Kahler uses for the different widths, like the Schaller ones.
                "Your work is ingenius…it’s quality work….and there are simply too many notes…that’s all, just cut a few, and it’ll be perfect."

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by MetalMedal II View Post
                  To meet all 3 criteria, perhaps a Kahler Floyd-style locknut that has a built in stringing tree would fit the bill. This came stock on a Charvel 3DR I had and I thought it was pretty slick. The string guide is on the back end of the nut and is held in w 2 screws. Here’s an Ebay auction of one that has decent photos:


                  I don’t know the naming scheme Kahler uses for the different widths, like the Schaller ones.
                  Kahler still makes that nut. Just Google Kahler and you'll find their and a list of nut sizes.

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                  • #24
                    Try it! All I can say is it made a difference!

                    Not being a physics major I couldn't tell you why.

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