Super 5-way for dummies

[Nightbat]

Anyone have a schematic for a Charvel Fusion Plus
(Pos 1=Bridge, 2=inner coils , 3=Both HB's, 4=Outer coils, 5=Neck)


I'm under the assumption that SD wiring colors are the same as jackson?

Thanks

[levantin]

http://www.sevenstring.org/forum/pickups-electronics-general-tech/93676-pickup-color-codes-diagrams-all-humbuckers.html

No, green is hot and black is ground for Jackson pickups.

[DonP]

I put the Stew Mac Mega? 5 way into a lot of my axes. Works great. I have one in a 550XL that mixes up the J200R and J90C nicely.

[Nightbat]

No, green is hot and black is ground for Jackson pickups.

Well, that explains why it sounded like ass

[VitaminG]

I just referred to the colour code chart when replacing the pickups in my Jackson Fusion Plus. Didn't have a wiring diagram, but drew a picture of each side of the switch & noted the colour of each wire of the Jackson pickups & the lug it was attached to. So that when I unsoldered a Jackson wire, I was replacing it with the appropriate Dimarzio wire (eg. Jackson green with Dimarzio red)

[Nightbat]

Unfortunately too late for that, since the old switched got tossed a while ago, just haven't come around to fixing it yet (again)

Well, all those lugs confuse me
Is there an up/down? left/right, does it matter how the switch is placed, etc

Basic schematics aren't a problem,, but once current doesn't run a logical route, I get pretty lost

[VitaminG]

have you seen this?

http://audiozone.dk/guitargallery/?c...8Page16_17.jpg

[Nightbat]

No I haven't, but did fine one similar with a bit more 'logical' view of the connections thanks

[dg]

I remember messing things up when switching my 750XL from stock to Duncans. When coil splitting comes into play, there's even a little more going on than just the flipping of black & green between Jackson & Duncan. This chart showing start & end for each coil got me straightened out:

http://hotrodguitars.com/WireCode.htm

[Nightbat]

Hmm, apparently it worked, except for a somewhat microphonic sound in the 2 and 4 positions (might just be my monitor, and it's been a while since I've heard singles )
Though i'll give the contacts a once over connecting with a screwdriver, since moving the leads doesn't make any difference

....Though it could also be very possible I overheated the switch with the PoS iron I used

[Newc]

The easiest way I found to think of those switches is that it's 4 5-ways in one. Each group of contacts has a common tab (usually used for output to the jack, since that one tab also contacts all other tabs in that group).

If you want to do more than simple Strat-style 5-way, you wire those settings to another group and then jump the common of that group to the tab in the main group where you want that setting to apply.

[Nightbat]

The easiest way I found to think of those switches is that it's 4 5-ways in one.

You lost me there

Each group of contacts has a common tab (usually used for output to the jack, since that one tab also contacts all other tabs in that group).

If you want to do more than simple Strat-style 5-way, you wire those settings to another group and then jump the common of that group to the tab in the main group where you want that setting to apply.

Uh, yeah
What I can figure out were lug 2345 on bottom row A and B were the output
how the hell the North finish and South start were wired on the outer lugs of bottom A and B to lugs 2 and 4 on Top A and B for single coil switching I'll never figure out
especially since 1 top 2/4 went to ground, and the other was wired to the output

[Brandenburg]

You lost me there

This is actually a correct way of looking at this switch.. 4 switches that are independent and electronically isolated from each other.. The same concept as a DPDT mini switch is the same as 2 SPDT

These super 5 ways confused me a bit at first.. so I just downloaded as many wiring examples as I could and studied them..Have a wiring project coming up soon and had to get a handle on this switch

[Newc]

You lost me there



Uh, yeah
What I can figure out were lug 2345 on bottom row A and B were the output
how the hell the North finish and South start were wired on the outer lugs of bottom A and B to lugs 2 and 4 on Top A and B for single coil switching I'll never figure out
especially since 1 top 2/4 went to ground, and the other was wired to the output

Because there are 2 ways to do splits -
1. The coil you want to be active is wired to Hot
2. The coil you want cut off is wired to Ground

The most common way I've seen factory Jackson Super 5-ways wired was that one group of contacts on a given quadrant of the switch were all jumped together, with one or two wires from that same quadrant attached to the "main" quadrant.

However, if you continue to view that switch as being 4 5-way switches with one Master control (the lever), you can wire it up in such a manner as to operate like 4 separate 5-way switches by keeping them isolated from each other, and using a separate switching system to choose between the 4 poles.

For example:



See here how each section is arranged. Each one has 6 tabs, which are the Common (output, indicated in orange here) and the 5 pickup contacts.

If you had a H-S-S layout and were to wire Pole 1 for:
1 Bridge
2 Bridge+Middle
3 Middle
4 Middle+Neck
5 Neck

You would first have to wire the bridge to 1, the middle to 3, and the neck to 5. Then you'd have to bridge 1, 2, and 3 manually, since on a standard Strat 5-way, those contacts are joined by the contact plate itself. This is why you find the jumper to another pole (section of the switch), and the tabs bridged.

However, you also can wire all 4 poles separately and run their commons to DPDT switches which select each pole.

[Nightbat]

Hmmm,...

but how and where would I connect the ' inbetweens'? for that wouldn't I need to know where the contacts on the contact plate are?
...and if you could explain why in my Fusion North finish and south start are both wired to common?

As you see, as long as things are going in the same direction in a way which I can trace, I'm fine
but in p'ups, especially with the various options, things jump around a lot and it's sometimes not a 'laid out - connect the dots' game