Kahler vs. Floyd Rose - thoughts?

[lerxstcat]

Wow, you know if you would have read one of my former posts FIRST you might LEARN alittle something. Don't be so froggy to jump before you know.
Talk about ignorance...

Well, you must not know how to maintain 'em if you had problems with 'em. If you know what you're doing - operative word IF - they're fine. There are plenty of people on this thread who have confirmed this, so your comments are an insult to all of us who know how to take care of our gear.

Once again, that is ignorance. Those who persist in their ignorance, well, that's just stupidity. Guess you're just too old to learn, pal. Too bad for you.

[Annah]

Wow, what a hot subject!

It is a well-known fact (or it should be) that if you want a machine to properly do what it was designed to do then it MUST be properly maintained. If any guitar player thinks they can just let ANY trem unit get all cruddy and caked or dry of oil and assume that it will work right, well, that's just naive. They have a lot to learn about mechanics.

So.... with that said, and all that you guys have offered, I will likely buy a new Orig. Floyd for my old '93 RR1 and will probably just stick with whatever comes standard on my future guitar purchases - OFR, Kahler, whatever.

It is VERY nice to know that the Schaller and OFR's offer better threading on the baseplates, and I find it interesting that the 590's don't. Too bad, but easy enough to fix the problem.

Thanks again!

[jgcable]

Wow, what a hot subject!

It is a well-known fact (or it should be) that if you want a machine to properly do what it was designed to do then it MUST be properly maintained. If any guitar player thinks they can just let ANY trem unit get all cruddy and caked or dry of oil and assume that it will work right, well, that's just naive. They have a lot to learn about mechanics.

So.... with that said, and all that you guys have offered, I will likely buy a new Orig. Floyd for my old '93 RR1 and will probably just stick with whatever comes standard on my future guitar purchases - OFR, Kahler, whatever.

It is VERY nice to know that the Schaller and OFR's offer better threading on the baseplates, and I find it interesting that the 590's don't. Too bad, but easy enough to fix the problem.

Thanks again!

Annah, the only thing to consider.. IMHO of course... is that when a Kahler gets cruddy and isn't maintained it doesn't work very well. Especially the Kahlers with roller saddles like the Flyer.
I have had OFR's that look like they spent their lives submerged in salt water and they always work great.
Bottom line... OFR's require much less upkeep.

[jwoods986]

Which model Kahler is on the Model 6? I've looked at the new kahler site but they all kind of look the same.

[Bert]

I love Kahlers but I'm sitting here with another Kahler'd guitar in my lap and a broken high E string which snapped right at the saddle roller. This seems to be getting more frequent... I don't see any burrs on it, so what the heck is causing all this string breakage?! Any suggestions on how to reduce string breakage? I'm using 10's, and would rather not move up to anything heavier.

[Racerx2k]

Which model Kahler is on the Model 6? I've looked at the new kahler site but they all kind of look the same.

I believe my model 6 had a Kahler 2300 series model.

[Zerberus]

Has anybody ever noticed taht while the Kahler Users don´t usually rag on teh OFR devotees holy grail, the OFR devotees DO somehow feel the need to bash the trems at any possible chance??

With proper maintenance both will work fine and cause no issues. Both have advantages and didadvantages, tonal and playability wise.

It´s much akin to a GTO vs. Mustang debate..... A GTO is a crappy mustang and vice versa... But they´re still both great cars, regardless of whether the operators believe so or not.

I prefer Kahlers and only used Floyds because I was fed up with scrounging for parts or machining them myself...

[Shawn Lutz]

Its a matter of what you prefer really. I'm an original Floyd Rose guy and I see no reason to own anything else. I think Floyds get a bad rep because of all the cheaply made knockoffs...All tissues are not Kleenex quality Same with Floyds...

[charvel750]

Annah, two things of advice. One, an original Floyd won't fit the route in a 1993 Rhoads as they were using the shortened barrel screws back then. So the allen screws of the Floyd will stick out past the route, making it difficult to pull up on the trem. Secondly, it sounds like your intonation set screws are stripped out. I would just buy 6 new intonation screws and then you should be fine. No need to invest in a new trem. Those early JT-590's are top notch, as good as any Floyd, but the components do eventually wear down and strip out, so a quick replacement of these parts is all you might need...

[VulfgangPfuck]

Annah,

There you go...you've opened up this age-old can 'o worms...LOL!

Age old debate, and for reasons I cannot fathom, it gets ugly! I don't particularly like Kahlers (I don't care much for Floyds anymore either for all that's worth) But I'm not going to say "Kahler sucks, and if you don't agree with me, your an asshole" Horns held high for Floyds forever!!

[jgcable]

Has anybody ever noticed taht while the Kahler Users don´t usually rag on teh OFR devotees holy grail, the OFR devotees DO somehow feel the need to bash the trems at any possible chance??

With proper maintenance both will work fine and cause no issues. Both have advantages and didadvantages, tonal and playability wise.

It´s much akin to a GTO vs. Mustang debate..... A GTO is a crappy mustang and vice versa... But they´re still both great cars, regardless of whether the operators believe so or not.

I prefer Kahlers and only used Floyds because I was fed up with scrounging for parts or machining them myself...

I enjoy and use both trems. My point is that if you don't maintain either the Kahler or the OFR... the OFR will work better and longer.
Believe it or not... most players do NOT maintain their trems.
If you go with my opinion about that.. the OFR is the better trem because it works great even if it isn't maintained. Kahlers don't. You can't possibly argue about that. When a roller freezes up due to rust or corrosion you get breakage and tuning issues. I have had OFR's that had both rust and corrosion on them along with pittings and every other non-maintainance related issue and providing they were set up correctly on the guitar.. they continued to work great.

[Racerx2k]

Funny, as my model 4 was my first guitar, I never maintained it, and yet, the Kahler STILL worked as expected, and more. ONLY problem I ever had was 2 rollers gumming up. But that was after years of playing.

By the way: Mustangs STILL suck. Ford might've invented the pony car, but GM perfected it.

[jgcable]

Funny, as my model 4 was my first guitar, I never maintained it, and yet, the Kahler STILL worked as expected, and more. ONLY problem I ever had was 2 rollers gumming up. But that was after years of playing.

By the way: Mustangs STILL suck. Ford might've invented the pony car, but GM perfected it.

I 100% agree.....
about the the pony car thing.

[VulfgangPfuck]

I 100% agree.....
about the the pony car thing.

+2...long live the F-body!!

[jgcable]

If you ever did autobody or auto restoration you would know what I mean. Those early Mustangs were.... well... YOU KNOW.
The one thing that restoring a Mustang has over any other car is parts availability. They made a zillion of them... the aftermarket business is huge and if you ever restored one you would know why.