floyd rose question

[Model1VH2]

Saying a Floyd was not designed to be a floating trem is just assinine. Jesus Christ, please know what you're talking about before you post.

That wasn't my statement at all ...
My statement was that "a Floyd is a trem, period."
If I wanted to be more specific, I would say it is a double locking trem.
To state that the Floyd is a "floating trem" limits it's capabilities and most of us know that there a many manufactures out there who surface-mount this trem for "dive only" applications.

If you'd like to debate this further, feel free to quote from the Floyd Rose website and show me where it says a Floyd is a floating bridge.
I'll even help you out ... http://www.floydrose.com/original.html

I just wish you'd put as much energy into solving eiopago's problem as you've done trying to prove me wrong.

[Bengal]

Model,
Well, open your mouth and act like and idiot and you get treated in kind. Sorry. That's the rules...

I used my guitar as an example beause we don't know what the posters guitar is. But you threw out a blanket statement (the way to set action is to shim the neck. I proved that in certain situations, that won't do it) that was clearly false. Still is. See how I'm not the only one coming down on you? That should tell you your talking out your ass. We all can see it. You can't. Too bad. But hey, if it works for you. Just don't think your gonna come in here and spew bullshit and not get called on it...

[zeegler]

I just wish you'd put as much energy into solving eiopago's problem as you've done trying to prove me wrong.

Actually, everyone else here has given correct advice. He wanted to know if it is alright to just have the bridge parallel to the body, and not flat against it. It was made quite clear by everybody except yourself, that it is fine. The only one confusing the issue is you, saying that the bridge should be flat against the body.

Give it up. You're a fucking idiot.

[piranhaguy2002a]

Ok, I'll chime in with my .02 cents here. I recently aquired a Charvel San Dimas Standard with an Original Floyd Rose trem, non-recessed. The trem had to be set-up "floating" cause by lowering the trem all the way to body caused the strings to "fret out". Non-recessed + original Floyd Rose= "floating" trem. I did try to lower the trem, didn't work. They only way I can lower the trem to the body is if the locking nut was shimmed and each individual saddle is shimmed.

[Bengal]

Hummm... Shimming Saddles? I thought I made up that senerio...

I'm trying to figure out a way that you can have the bridge flush against the body, either non-recessed or not, and need to shim the neck to adjust the action. I can think of none. Either way, the strings would fret out. Regardless of neck pitch. Either way, it won't work. Now, if you removed some of the heel of the neck, maybe it would...

The Charvel EVH is shipped with the trem set to dive only. BUT, the bridge doesn't sit flat to the body, IIRC. It's higher in the front, by the posts, and the back angles back to the body. (If I'm wrong, someone will tell me I'm sure) I'm pretty sure my old Peavey Wolfgang was the same way. Not flush with the body, but angled backwards...

I can't find any senerio where the advise Model is giving would be correct. If someone knows one, lets see or hear it...

[piranhaguy2002a]

Hummm... Shimming Saddles? I thought I made up that senerio...

I'm trying to figure out a way that you can have the bridge flush against the body, either non-recessed or not, and need to shim the neck to adjust the action. I can think of none. Either way, the strings would fret out. Regardless of neck pitch. Either way, it won't work. Now, if you removed some of the heel of the neck, maybe it would...

The Charvel EVH is shipped with the trem set to dive only. BUT, the bridge doesn't sit flat to the body, IIRC. It's higher in the front, by the posts, and the back angles back to the body. (If I'm wrong, someone will tell me I'm sure) I'm pretty sure my old Peavey Wolfgang was the same way. Not flush with the body, but angled backwards...

I can't find any senerio where the advise Model is giving would be correct. If someone knows one, lets see or hear it...

If the bridge is higher in the front and the back of the base plate is sitting against the body, sounds like the springs in the trem cavity were cranked down and tuned to pitch. That's how I got my D-Tuna to work without having to block the trem.

[Bengal]

If the bridge is higher in the front and the back of the base plate is sitting against the body, sounds like the springs in the trem cavity were cranked down and tuned to pitch. That's how I got my D-Tuna to work without having to block the trem.

Right. Which proves my point, it isn't sitting flush with the body. I have yet to think of a guitar that has the Floyd flush against the body...

(Flush to me means both front and back flat against the body)

[piranhaguy2002a]

Right. Which proves my point, it isn't sitting flush with the body. I have yet to think of a guitar that has the Floyd flush against the body...

(Flush to me means both front and back flat against the body)

That's my understanding as well.

[j2379]

WAYNES. dive only, the floyd sits flat & even on the body. I own one & the 10 or so ive tried were all like that as well. some had a C.H. of pull back, enough to make it sound out of tune but thats about it.

[Bengal]

WAYNES. dive only, the floyd sits flat & even on the body. I own one & the 10 or so ive tried were all like that as well. some had a C.H. of pull back, enough to make it sound out of tune but thats about it.

Cool! OK, there's 1...

Edit: I remember having a MIJ Foto Flame Strat back in the early 90's that had a Floyd Rose II that was flush with the body as well. OK, there's 2...

[toejam]

I have yet to think of a guitar that has the Floyd flush against the body...

(Flush to me means both front and back flat against the body)

Well, as I stated, I did shim the saddles on my Charvel Star (bolt-on). I just I wanted to dive only. The trem was indeed floating when I got it (not really all that much above the body), but I don't have much need to pull up, and I didn't want to mess with neck shims, so the easiest solution was to lower the trem to lay totally flat on the body, which made the strings fret out, just shimmed the saddles a bit and I'm good to go.

[Model1VH2]

Hummm... Shimming Saddles? I thought I made up that senerio...

You did.

I'm trying to figure out a way that you can have the bridge flush against the body, either non-recessed or not, and need to shim the neck to adjust the action. I can think of none. Either way, the strings would fret out. Regardless of neck pitch. Either way, it won't work. Now, if you removed some of the heel of the neck, maybe it would...

I never said you HAVE to shim the neck to get a good action, but in most cases I've seen with surface mounted Floyds (non-recessed), it is required. BTW, alot of factory guitars come shimmed so this isn't some hair-brain idea I pulled out of my ass.

The bottom line is that the original poster stated that raising the bridge would help correct the pitch (angle) of the strings in relation to the neck. My solution was to leave the bridge alone and shim the neck to proper pitch. Yes, this was assuming the guitar had a bolt-on neck.
Not all guitar adjustments are done at the bridge, Beagle.

The Charvel EVH is shipped with the trem set to dive only. BUT, the bridge doesn't sit flat to the body, IIRC. It's higher in the front, by the posts, and the back angles back to the body. (If I'm wrong, someone will tell me I'm sure) I'm pretty sure my old Peavey Wolfgang was the same way. Not flush with the body, but angled backwards...

Taken directly from the Floyd Rose website:
"Step 6:
When the strings are at the desired pitch, check to see if the bridge base plate is sitting parallel with the top surface of the guitar. If the base plate is tilted forward away from the body, you must tighten the tremolo springs tension by turning the spring claw screws clockwise and repeat step 4. If the base plate is tilted back toward the body, you must loosen the tremolo springs tension by turning the spring claw screws counterclockwise and repeat step 4. [Step 6 only needs to be done on initial setup of the bridge or if you change to another gauge of strings or change to a different tuning.]"

Hopefully this will assist you in setting up your own guitars properly.

[Model1VH2]

Actually, everyone else here has given correct advice. He wanted to know if it is alright to just have the bridge parallel to the body, and not flat against it. It was made quite clear by everybody except yourself, that it is fine. The only one confusing the issue is you, saying that the bridge should be flat against the body.

Give it up. You're a fucking idiot.

You are all correct in that the floyd can be raised above the surface of the guitar, parallel to the body. I never disputed that. My advice was based on his next posting ...

Originally Posted by eiopago
thanks everyone.
this makes me think that i can try to have a straighter neck, as i can have the floyd rose a bit higher up the body level.

Yes, you answered his question.
No, you did not solve the problem.
If the pitch of the strings does not match the pitch of the neck, why are you offering advice to make bridge adjustments? Thats a half-ass bandaid to the bigger problem IMO, but hey ... you're the one with over 7,000 posts so you should know best, right? lol

Since I'm obviosly not making any friends here in this thread, I'll move on and let you argue amoung yourselves.

eiopago ... if your bridge was flat against the surface of your body and set-up to dive only, you will have to adjust the trem claw as well as the posts to allow the trem to sit parallel to the body. You will loose some tuning stability in doing so and god forbid you break a string, they all will go out of tune unless you "block" it.

[Bengal]

What cavity? The recess cavity? or the cavity for the block?
If he means the cavity that the block sits in, and there is no recess route, then the proper way to adjust the action would be to shim the neck, not "raise the bridge".

If you didn't say the best way to get good action was to shim the neck, explain the quote above then. Sounds like that's what you're saying to me...

I think you misunderstood the post. Everyone knows the height of the trem will not help with neck angle. I don't think he ever said that. Actually after reading the entire post. He NEVER said that. I think you assumed that. And by assuming, well... You know what you made yourself look like...

Yep, I made up shimming the saddles. And Toejam ran right out and did it to an old guitar he had. Yep, I'm that cool...

You totally missed the point of the original post. Stuck your foot in your mouth, got called on it, but still want to stay in that corner you painted yourself into. Instead of being a man and saying, "Wow, I fucked that one up. Sorry guys." Some here are like that. They don't stay for too long...

What does the quote from the website have to do with anything? It proves my point. Most guitars are not set up to have the entire base plate of a floyd rest against the body. I've asked for examples. Someone said Wayne. Cool. They must make their neck heels a bit more shallow than other manufacturers. I also mentioned an MIJ Strat that was like that. Same deal. What did you offer as an example? A quote from the Floyd Rose website. WOW! Nice job. Are you a politician? Cuz you really skirted that question and answered it with bullshit...

With your last post you've proven you don't know how to set up a Floyd. Sorry about that. Some of us do and we don't worry about "Tuning Stability" because there are none with a properly set up Floyd. And all the strings will go out of tune if you break a string? No shit Sherlock. That might be the smartest thing you've said in this thread. That's the tradeoff with Floyds. But still you proved you know nothing about them. Maybe YOU need to read that quote from the site you posted. Sounds like you need it...

Zeegs is usually more blunt than I am. But I have to agree. You're a fucking idiot...

[toejam]

Most guitars are not set up to have the entire base plate of a floyd rest against the body. I've asked for examples. Someone said Wayne. Cool. They must make their neck heels a bit more shallow than other manufacturers. I also mentioned an MIJ Strat that was like that. Same deal.

Could be the neck heel is more shallow. Also, I've noticed my Floyd's block is a 37mm and not the typical 42mm of most non-recessed Floyds. That explains why my Floyd was closer to the body, too, when it was floating.