floyd rose question

[toejam]

No ... a Floyd is a trem, period.
Floating or non-floating would depend on the guitar and/or application.
If the guitar has a recess route, then the guitar is designed for the Floyd to float. If no recess route, well ... you can rig it up to float, but that's not how the design was intended.

A Floyd is a floating trem, period. It's got springs and balances against a pivot point, same as a Fender trem which it was designed to improve upon. You can rig them to not float if you so choose, though.

[rjohnstone]

Yes, a Floyd is a floater by design as it balances (floats) on two pivot points. You can make it a non-floater by blocking it to dive only or have it sit against the body.
V-trems are not floaters, but a modern two point Fender fulcrum or Wilkinson can be made to float or sit against the body like a v-trem.

Why not just use the Fender-style bridge with a locking nut?

Because it would slip out of tune the first time you dive bombed it (think single locking trem) and you would have to unlock the nut every time you needed to re-tune it.
That's why Floyd added the fine tuners to his design shortly after its initial release.

Locking tuners (Sperzels) were invented for the folks that didn't want to install a Floyd. Reduced string slippage but still gave you the ability to adjust it on the fly.

The whole point of a Floyd is to be able to pull up.

Not true. Floyds didn't get a recessed route for years.
The whole point of a Floyd's design is to stay in tune whether you're diving or pulling up.

[Bengal]

No ... a Floyd is a trem, period.
Floating or non-floating would depend on the guitar and/or application.
If the guitar has a recess route, then the guitar is designed for the Floyd to float. If no recess route, well ... you can rig it up to float, but that's not how the design was intended.



Agreed, and that's my point.
eiopago asks if his Floyd should sit above the "cavity".
What cavity? The recess cavity? or the cavity for the block?
If he means the cavity that the block sits in, and there is no recess route, then the proper way to adjust the action would be to shim the neck, not "raise the bridge".

How do you shim the neck on a neckthrough? Can't...

How would you get the Floyd below the cavity the block goes into, ie non-recessed? Once again, you can't...

I don't see your point...

The Floyd is a floating trem. Period...

[slash]

Yes, a Floyd is a floater by design...

He said floater :ROTF: :ROTF:

sorry, I couldn't resist


I don't see what the big fuss is about... there are basically three different ways to install a Floyd.
1) Recessed (Full Floating)
2) Mounted flush with the body (Dive only)
3) Mounted above the body (Full Floating)

Of course there are several different methods of blocking a Floyd that can be applied to any of the three above setups. If anyone cares, #3 is the way I prefer it

[Bengal]

I think the main thing I'm arguing is his statement that any non-recessed body was not designed to have the trem float. Which doesn't really make any sense to me. And the fact that he states the way to set the action on a non-recessed Floyd is to shim the neck, not raise/lower the trem. That again, doesn't make sense to me...

[rjohnstone]

He said floater :ROTF: :ROTF:

sorry, I couldn't resist

:ROTF: I just caught that.

Bengal, I see what he was getting at and you too.
You both are right.
On a non-recessed body, you can shim the neck to create more "float" room by giving it more tilt, or you can raise the trem.
Setting the action depends on if you want the trem to float or or hit the body. If you want it to float, you will have to shim the neck first to get the trem off the body and still have a low action.

[scotty]

Any Model series Charvel or USA Charvel have non-recessed trems and are floating systems. Pull/dive

[Model1VH2]

How do you shim the neck on a neckthrough? Can't...

How would you get the Floyd below the cavity the block goes into, ie non-recessed? Once again, you can't...

I don't see your point...

The Floyd is a floating trem. Period...

The baseplate on a floyd that is surface mounted rests on the body and prevents you from pulling up on the trem bar, yes ... much like a V-trem.
Please explain how that is considered a floating trem? ... it's not.

Can you adjust the spring tension and jack the bridge up to make it float? ... sure, but that's not what is intended for that particular application.

And who said anything about a neckthrough?
And your second statement didn't even make sense.
What's your point? ... Nobody said anything about anything you are trying to debate here (?)
... and still no pics.

Recap ...

hi,
just 1 question about the floyd rose setup.
i read everywhere that the floyd rose has to be parallel to the body of the guitar.
while that is clear, i have a doubt.
has it got to be at the same level of the body or can it be slightly sticking out of the cavity ( but still parallel to the body) ?

how is yours?

thanks in advance

Did you read anything about a recess route?
Did you read anything about a "neckthrough"?
Do we even know what type of guitar this person has?

thanks everyone.
this makes me think that i can try to have a straighter neck, as i can have the floyd rose a bit higher up the body level.

The statement about a "straighter neck" leads me to believe that the pitch is wrong and the neck needs to be shimmed (again, assuming that he has a bolt-on neck). What I believe this person is asking is if he can raise the bridge to meet the pitch of the neck. Can he? sure. Is it the correct way to solve his problem? I don't believe so.

[scotty]

Ever heard of Mike Shannon?

[zeegler]

Saying a Floyd was not designed to be a floating trem is just assinine. Jesus Christ, please know what you're talking about before you post. The entire point of a Floyd, is to have it set up as a floater. That's why blocking devices were put on the market, for people who didn't want their Floyd to float.

I suppose Jackson made their first Floyded neck-thru guitars with neck angle by mistake. You should call them and point out their mistake.

[zeegler]

You are wrong dude. Face it. Everyone else here knows it.

[slash]

The entire point of a Floyd, is to have it set up as a floater.

:ROTF: He said floater too :ROTF:

Anyone else?

[toejam]

Fat Bastard left a floater!

[Bengal]

Modelwhatever,
I said neckthrough because I have a Student Soloist, neckthrough, that has a non-recessed trem. YOU said the correct way to set the action height is to shim the neck. How exactly am I suposed to do that on my Soloist? I suppose you'll say to shim the saddles. Yeah, right. Instead of just raising the trem posts, or lowering them...

The baseplate of a Floyd that is surface mounted DOES NOT have to rest against the body. Somehow you think it does. I don't know where you got that idea, please explain where that comes from...

If I lowered my trem to have the baseplate flush with the body, my strings would literally sit on the frets, making them fret out. How would that do any good? If I left the trem posts where they are but just torqued down on the cavity screws, sure the back of the trem would hit the body, but not the front. THIS WAS NOT HOW IT WAS DESIGNED!!! It would cause more wear on the knife edges becuase they are not at a 90 degree angle. So yes, you could do it. But that's not the way they were designed...

I don't know where you got your info from. I'd really like to know...

Then again what do I know? I just spent last year as a Studio Tech and a touring Guitar Tech... I don't know shit...

[Model1VH2]

Modelwhatever,
I said neckthrough because I have a Student Soloist, neckthrough, that has a non-recessed trem. YOU said the correct way to set the action height is to shim the neck. How exactly am I suposed to do that on my Soloist? I suppose you'll say to shim the saddles. Yeah, right. Instead of just raising the trem posts, or lowering them...

Hmm ... did YOU post the question about a problem or did eiopago?
What does YOUR guitar have to do with anything?
And now you're making up scenerios (shimming saddles?)?
Where did that come from? Or are you offering more "advice"?

The baseplate of a Floyd that is surface mounted DOES NOT have to rest against the body. Somehow you think it does. I don't know where you got that idea, please explain where that comes from...

All depends on claw adjustment, Bagel.

If I lowered my trem to have the baseplate flush with the body, my strings would literally sit on the frets, making them fret out.

That's because, as you stated, your guitar is a neckthrough and the pitch has already been established for a specific application ... floating.
Again ... what does YOUR guitar have to do with eiopago's problem?
I don't see where he mentions he has a Jackson "Student Soloist" or even a neckthrough design, do you?

How would that do any good? If I left the trem posts where they are but just torqued down on the cavity screws, sure the back of the trem would hit the body, but not the front. THIS WAS NOT HOW IT WAS DESIGNED!!! It would cause more wear on the knife edges becuase they are not at a 90 degree angle. So yes, you could do it. But that's not the way they were designed...

I don't know where you got your info from. I'd really like to know...

Then again what do I know? I just spent last year as a Studio Tech and a touring Guitar Tech... I don't know shit...

Finally, we agree.