Do NOT deal with Mr. Graphic

[Larz]

Guitar tech I know here is in the $40 range for a set up.....so $50 not out of whack depedning where you live and how good they are.

[SausageofPower]

Rich brings up a good point, but the problem is those restocking fees are stated from the onset.

[Axegrinder87]

I have a question.

How did you miss all of the issues in the trem cavity when you gave the guitar that "perfect setup"?

[SausageofPower]

You know, reading back over both of these threads, I honestly think I'd be hesitant to deal with either of the parties involved...

[veemagic]

I have a question.

How did you miss all of the issues in the trem cavity when you gave the guitar that "perfect setup"?

I don't know if MG ever said that he gave it that perfect set-up, but that it was set-up perfectly when it left him. I believe that he said he never opened up the guitar because there was no reason to and it was for his son.

[veemagic]

You know, reading back over both of these threads, I honestly think I'd be hesitant to deal with either of the parties involved...

I am not sure thats fair. I think reading from the beginning it becomes real clear who you'd deal with.

[Axegrinder87]

I don't get it. Pay somebody else to set it up, then charge Vector to set it up himself. Doesn't make sense. I agree Sausage, I'll steer clear of both.

If I bought the guitar, DIDN'T pull the pup, and then sent it back for a refund when you neglected to mention the bullshit in the trem cavity, would you charge me $50 when it loses its setup in transit? No thanks.

[Mr Graphic]

I don't know if MG ever said that he gave it that perfect set-up, but that it was set-up perfectly when it left him. I believe that he said he never opened up the guitar because there was no reason to and it was for his son.

Exactly...

[Mr Graphic]

I don't get it. Pay somebody else to set it up, then charge Vector to set it up himself. Doesn't make sense. I agree Sausage, I'll steer clear of both.

If I bought the guitar, DIDN'T pull the pup, and then sent it back for a refund when you neglected to mention the bullshit in the trem cavity, would you charge me $50 when it loses its setup in transit? No thanks.

I didn't pay anyone else. Not sure where you got that. Would I charge you $50.00 if you didn't pull the pickup? Absolutely not...

[Mr Graphic]

I have a question.

How did you miss all of the issues in the trem cavity when you gave the guitar that "perfect setup"?

I didn't "give the guitar the perfect setup", I purchased it that way...

[CowboyFromHell]

You know, reading back over both of these threads, I honestly think I'd be hesitant to deal with either of the parties involved...

+1

[SausageofPower]

I am not sure thats fair. I think reading from the beginning it becomes real clear who you'd deal with.

I have read from the beginning. I sympathize with Mr Graphic, it sucks to have a buyer return an item. It also sucks to get something back in a different condition than what you sent it in (albeit minorly and easily corrected). I also sympathize with Vector for buying a guitar, even if it was an impulse buy, and finding some problems with it that weren't disclosed originally.

My problem arises with the schoolyard back-and-forth here. Both sides have some blame here, IMHO. Graphic should have examined the guitar and made sure it didn't have any issues (when he bought it, really, but definitely when he sold it), or he should have stated plainly that it was sold as-is (which if he did I apologize, but it wasn't stated here).

Vector should have asked for info *before* buying and not been so impulsive. When he decided to return it, he should have prepped it for shipping and left it all alone. That's what I've done with guitars I had to return, even if I could have played them without doing any damage. You say you're returning it, you surrender ownership. If you wouldn't pull a guitar down at Guitar Center or elsewhere and take the strings off/pull out the pickup, you shouldn't have done here either.

The setup argument is flimsy at best. $50 to correct a trem angle issue? I'm sorry, but especially not said upfront, that's excessive. Terms regarding the return of items should be stated upfront, not after you've already received the item back. Plus, if Paypal was the method used, they'd probably side with Vector based on that fact and give him back the $50.

So, honestly, I'd question dealing with Vector because he might flip-flop on the sale after the fact. I'd question dealing with Graphic because he (benefit of the doubt, accidentally) left out important details about the guitar and assessed fees that he didn't state upfront.

My advice/opinion? Guys, you've made a spectacle of yourselves by going public and both seeming a bit...less than professional about it. Resolve it, regain credibility among the community and move on.

[horns666]

Once you decided on a refund and MG agreed on it, you no longer own that guitar. Disassembly should have nevet crossed your mind. It should have immediately been put back in its shipping form and forgotten about.-Lou

+1...You two never do buisness again. Don't even buy, trade or sell a used Marshmallow Peep!

[Mr Graphic]

I don't expect everyone to agree with me, or have an accurate feel for what transpired. I only posted after being repeatedly harassed and threatened by Vector. I stand by what I said and how I handled this. I didn't take the neck off before I sold it either, so am I negligent if he removed it and found a screw hole in the neck pocket that didn't belong there? I don't think so. Caveat Emptor...The responsibility is on the buyer, not the seller. Am I suggesting full and honest disclosure is not necessary? No, I'm not. I'm suggesting that they'll ALWAYS be something a seller does not inspect before selling a guitar. How many of you would for example, remove the locking nut and look underneath before selling. I wouldn't, and in this case didn't. Suppose he did, and found a split in the wood under the locking nut. Would I be negligent for not revealing it? I don't think so. Would he be entitled to return it? Absolutely. Is he then entitled to did-assemble the guitar after rejecting purchase and before sending it back. NO, he's not. You can say I should have inspected it better all day long but with an amateur anal buyer like VECTOR it'll never be enough. My 35 year reputation in the guitar world speaks for itself. I've sold over 2500 guitars easily. I know what my obligations are in a sale and I accommodated him to a fault.

[veemagic]

+1...You two never do buisness again. Don't even buy, trade or sell a used Marshmallow Peep!

A peep sounds good right now!