Possible scam......new member Neeradj

[tmdiamond]

Part of this is my doing, because I contacted him and offered one of my SD Rhoads for sale. I sent him the info and pics on the guitar and quoted him a price of 600. Over several emails, he told me he'd pay 500. He explained his reasoning, and I went down to 575. In his next email, he said to forget the RR and instead, he wanted to by my KE2 for a lot more money than the RR. That was fine with me. He proceeded to tell me that he needed me to deceive the postal service and customs to help reduce his total costs. Not that that is too far fetched, it's a pretty common request. I'm not going to put myself at risk of mail fraud charges or any other difficulties that could arise by doing that. So I explain that to him and I also told him what payment forms I would accept, intl money order, bank cashier's check, or possibly Western Union. He insisted on Paypal despite two emails I sent explaining that I would not accept paypal. His tone in the emails grew to sound more like demands and orders. His most recent essentially dictated what I was going to do.....take his Paypal payment, transfer the funds to my bank account (eliminating the possibility of a chargeback according to him), and since I could transfer them the same day I received the payment, I could send the guitar to him. [img]/images/graemlins/bs.gif[/img] So either one of two things is happening....he is absolutely trying to work a scam and hoping that I am dumb enough to play into it, or his personality is such that he wants to dictate the terms of a possible sale to a seller. He's a new member here as far as I'm concerned. I could care less that he registered in April. He's only posted a few times and I don't trust him as far as I can throw him. He could very well have been lurking here waiting to get himself a guitar. I have the emails for anyone who wants to read them including all headers. I don't need to sell any guitars and certainly not across the pond to this guy. He effectively changed my mind about selling outside North America. That's not intended to reflect poorly on members here from other countries. We have terrific contributing members here from outside the US and there are some who I would buy and sell from still. I strongly recommend that if anyone here is currently in negotiations with this member, you tread carefully.

[sully]

Re: Possible scam......new member Neeradj

...that's why we don't recommend deals with unestablished members of the jcf.

sully

[Neeradj]

Re: Possible scam......new member Neeradj

I find these accusations very disturbing. With the permission of Thomas (tmdiamond) I will have evidence presented in our last e-mail contact. His way of reasoning is extremely lacking, at least I believe so. Mr Diamond basically told me he didn't trust me because I didn't play according to his rules. Why? I couldn't possibly do Wire transfers or Western Union. Why?
This guitar is 900 dollars, shipping will be 200 dollars: 1100 dollars, pretty doable right? Customs are 25% over the value and shipping in my country, we're at 275+1100=1375. Western Union asks comissions as high as 200 euros. So basically mr Diamond was asking me to pay a total of 1300 euros for the guitar to my door.

Now I read this post of J2379 of how to work ones way around customs, thread can be found here:http://www.jcfonline.com/ubbthreads/...st313213312602
. I thought it would be great since I wouldn't have to pay customs and the guitar shipped to my door would be somewhat 880 euros instead of 1300!

I tried comprimising with mr Diamond, ok then get that money from paypal and keep the guitar until you're absolutely sure I can't get it back. Then send it to me, investing a lot of trust into stranger, but heck I want the guitar right? He then came with an e-mail accusing me of being a possible scammer. Does this seem logical to anyone, please explain this to me because according to mr Diamond it does?

Oh yeah, wire transfers. Let me tell you about wire transfers with my bank: You order international order forms for they only trust things written on paper. Three weeks ahead of you. They verify everything, one week ahead. Then the time for mr Diamonds money to arrive would be 2 months-3 months tops! Charging me a comission of something like 100 euros.

Mr Diamond did try to compromise with me by marking a value equal to 300 dollars. But that wouldn't make too much of a difference, only increase this huge risk factor I'm taking.

I too have every e-mail and there's no other way possible for mr Diamond not to be to confirm this with his copies. I don't want to put his personal stuff up against his will, but with his permission I will

[Number Of The Priest]

Re: Possible scam......new member Neeradj

Out of curiosity Tom, why aren't you accepting PayPal payments? I love PayPal so I always state that the buyer should add the 3% fee, otherwise I accept a money order. It's their choice.

I have recently been introduced to the joys of direct depositing. It was safe, quick, and very easy, and NO FEES!!! [img]/images/graemlins/headbang.gif[/img] However, this was a deposit into another Canadian bank so maybe that's why there we no fees. I'm not sure what the deal is with international payments. Plus, we talked on the phone a few times before I actually deposited the money into the seller's account. In that transaction, I was the newbie on a new message board and the seller was the veteran but he didn't accept PayPal so I did the direct deposit thing.

[Neeradj]

Re: Possible scam......new member Neeradj

Another thing, as a backbone for trust I told mr Diamond about my previous most positive deals with sellers from the USA. I even offered e-mails so he could verify, for two of them are on the Seymour Duncan forum, where I'm quite the well-known and respected member. One is an official seller of Q-Parts skull knobs and I'm sure he'd be willing to back me up. I also have two eBay credentials. All of the items were paid for through Paypal

My not being willing to pay a couple of hundred bucks extra has cost me this tread, I find this very harming. I'm just a student who's saved up for like a year and has gotten into Jackson and even has the money to pay for a USA Jackson if the seller is willing to help him out. Mr Diamond simply could've said NO, instead he got annoyed and has now damaged my credibility. This has cost me a lot of my time already, I've send two e-mails to mr Diamond and this is my second post. Mr Diamond didn't even consult with me and didn't even think I was worth a reply apperantly, he just rushed into a public board and ruined my name. I would like to see what mr Diamond can fetch up to use against me for I can actually prove this whole thing had nothing to do with me conning someone, but mr Diamonds way of jumping to conclusions

I thank you for your time

[YetAnotherOne]

Re: Possible scam......new member Neeradj

NOTP - PayPals from Europe all come from unconfirmed addresses meaning that the buyer can do a chargeback for any reason and the seller has no recourse if that should happen. Double jeopardy if the payment is made with a credit card as a chargeback via your CC provider is even easier and rolls automatically to your PayPal account. If you don't have funds in your PP account to cover the chargeback they'll dump your account to a collection agency, **** up your credit, & wind up charging you far more than the actual chargeback by the time they collect.

OTOH if the PP comes from a confirmed address to which the seller ships, signature proof of delivery can be used to avoid all of the above hassles (maybe).

[Neeradj]

Re: Possible scam......new member Neeradj

I agree, it seems mr Diamond has come up with a NO, too bad he's a little late with that word. But Yetanotherone, as you read my post above, haven't I tried to gain as much credibility as I could by not only letting mr Diamond keep the money until he was sure I couldn't do a drawback for the money would rest in his bank account and be completely out of my reach, but even giving him e-mail adresses from people I've dealt with and are happy to deal with me again. I'm a quick payer and a no-nonsense guy, I just got caught up in the middle of this nonsense. Mr Diamond knew about a week ago, being equal to 5 replies or so, I wouldn't be able to pay him any way else but Paypal. It was he who insisted on paying another way and remained having contact with me, he could've told me and we would've part in a friendly manner. I don't want to insult him but this contact was like talking to a schezophrenic, an amazing guy at first, but a Judas who is now trying to put me in a tight spot and calling me names and such. Some of you won't believe me but with mr Diamonds permission I can prove to you how he suddenly changed moods just today, while he was mr Friendly two days ago

[jackson1]

Re: Possible scam......new member Neeradj

With the info presented here, and the right to just say no, i find it appalling that tmdiamond goes public with this accusation.

Making such allegations against other users, should most certainly demand a much stronger case, because the damage done is usually both irreversible and severe.

I don't have any personal relations to neither part. I am just commenting on what i see and read here.

[tmdiamond]

Re: Possible scam......new member Neeradj

Guys, this is coming from a possible buyer who, when telling me that my $600 price tag on that RR was too high, that 700 euros is "a little less than $800 USD". In fact, 700 euros was 892 USD the day he emailed me that quote. And my '02 KE2 was offered to him at $850, not the 900 he says above. It all comes down to semantics with this guy.

NOTP: I, like many sellers here, have very set in stone rules when it comes to accepting payments, especially overseas. Paypal is not a safe alternative, IMO and in the opinion of a lot of people.
I spent 12 yrs as a street cop and detective and I've investigated dozens and dozens of forgeries, embezzlements, check fraud, etc. Imagine if, in the course of a bank transfer that the buyer has your account #. I have looked at many a check, drawn on a legitimate account, but the check was a fake. You can't tell the difference. So anyone can take your account #, print it onto a check or a bunch of checks, and make life a living hell for you until you can get everything cleared up. So, no bank transfers for me. I guess it comes with seeing it and working cases for all that time.
I established my sellers rules by following the leads of Chuck at kickaxeguitars, Joe (Charvel750), peedenmark, and a few others. There was nothing difficult to interpret in my emails. Here are the payment methods I accept, period. But each email arrives with new demands and the Paypal payment plan. Over and over and over again. Nevermind telling me that I will need to deceive customs or the postal service.
I've bought 20-30 guitars from people on this board. Sold a few too. IIRC, I came out with only one deal that didn't feel good and that's so far in the past to me it's forgotten and I hold no grudges. If this guy is legit, he oughtta establish himself here before he tries out his calculation errors and telling people how they're going to do business. If he's not legit....

[Top Jimmy B]

Re: Possible scam......new member Neeradj

In the past three years I have shipped four guitars to Europe to JCF members or lurkers. In each instance I found myself reading and re-reading their emails to me, in order to get a grip on what they were asking me to do. For each of these trancactions, the purchasers were communicating with me in English, their second, maybe third language, while I had the luxury of using my native tongue. I often found the "tone" of these emails to be harsh and, at times, pushy. In retrospect, I believe these people seemed difficult, because the language was foreign to them. Textbook English is not the English we speak every day. European buyers are getting reamed on taxes when they import anything from North America. As a result they are always looking for ways to lessen the expense.
Based on what I have read, which is what you can all see here, this sounds like a communication problem. It's too bad it had to go this far and end up in this section. I'm sure this could have been resolved in a much more private manner.

[toejam]

Re: Possible scam......new member Neeradj

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[jackson1]

Re: Possible scam......new member Neeradj

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In retrospect, I believe these people seemed difficult, because the language was foreign to them.

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Bingo.

[Neeradj]

Re: Possible scam......new member Neeradj

Oh yeah Tom that's a great analogy (HUGE SARCASM), a guy who thinks 700 euros is a little less than 800 dollars. Well excuse me mr Perfect, I don't check exchange rates every day, and when I do I calculate dollars to euros, not euros to dollars.

Wanna bet you never offered me the guitar for 850? I requested the guitar for 850, you wanted 900 for it! I have the e-mail to prove it to you man, it's hard enough you put me on the spot, but don't lie to these guys! I recall you never refusing a wire transfer, you just said it'd take a month for the money to clear on your account.

Oh yeah, every e-mail I send to this guy, the word PLEASE was mentioned at least once every e-mail. Forcing? Heck no, have you ever heard anyone say: You're going to send this guitar to me now! please...

It's a little hard to establish ones self on a board when people like you go public on accusations you can't even back man, I don't seem to be the only one who agrees you have gone way overboard on this one. I only post when I feel I can contribute, or when I have time. It'd be fun to have friends here, heck I do have some dutch friends posting here, but I'm not really trying to win any popularity contest.

Concerning that RR1, it was refinned, nobody wanted it, I thought I'd grab it, but not for a price which would get me a mint KE2 for like 250 more and which I could easilly sell!
Plainly ridiculous!

I urge you to read this, just posted by mr Diamond:"If this guy is legit, he oughtta establish himself here before he tries out his calculation errors and telling people how they're going to do business."

Who's telling who what to do huh?

[tmdiamond]

Re: Possible scam......new member Neeradj

On 10/29, you emailed me telling me that you no longer wanted the Rhoads, correct? You said that you wanted the KE2 instead, correct? Your next line read, "You were asking 850 dollars including case I believe?". In my reply, I accepted your 850 offer. So that's how much the guitar was being sold for. On 10/19, I said I wanted 900 for it, yes. So what. The price was 850. You can keep spinning this any way you want it. You are very clever, I must admit. The way you twist things around to make me sound like the bad guy here. That's fine.

Sure, it could be a communication problem, I'm man enough to admit that. Let's assume that it was a communication problem. OK. If I was asking 900, why did you email me the above quote saying that you believed that I only wanted 850? You didn't say anyhting like, "well, how about 850..."
Prior to that, you tried telling me that 700 euro was a little bit less than 800 bucks. At the very least then, you were doing your best to try and manipulate the situation, much like you are doing now.
My purpose in posting this thread was I found this entire situation suspicious and consistent with other overseas scams that we read about everyday. And if, at some point, another member lost a guitar and I didn't mention that some things looked fishy, people would have wished I had said something.
Incidentally, I said "possible" scam. Maybe it doesn't leave much room for interpretation but look at it from this end. A guy has been told that Paypal is not accepted. So he proceeds to say, 'I have done deals with US people before; wait til the money is in your account and you are satisfied it can't be reversed (which should be the same day, according to his email) and send the guitar; I'll need a shipping amount and then I'll Paypal you the money, thanks bye'.

[jgcable]

Re: Possible scam......new member Neeradj

Tom, I would suggest not buying from or selling to any JCF member that isn't established regardless of where they are located (unless you can visit them in person or they have killer references from other established trusted JCF members). Neeradj, just drop it bro and go on Ebay. You will eventually find the guitar you are looking for. This is not a good way to start out your membership here. You should just drop this arguement. I can't figure it out anyway. But then again.. I ain't the sharpest knife in the drawer.