Why you never deal with Strangletooth...!

[Budman68]

Kev I completely understand why you feel this way. I also agree that JCF 03 would problaly not be a good idea in light of this mess.

Keep this in mind though. There are a few members who got in on this for the real reason that this run was created for. I know of a few members myself who hold these guitars out of respect to Robbin. Of all the bad that came out of this run there are a few who knew and still know what it was really about.

I was not in on the run, but I wanted one since they were completed. With every painful thread that I read, I started to lose interest and felt just as you do.

There are scumbags and degenerates in all walks of life. Unfortunaltely even here (past and present). It sickens me to see this obviously deliberate act of anger.

Please don't let this gross sign of disrespect or any of the other bullshit make you, Kurt or Sully feel that all of your efforts were not worth it. I know I probably don't know half of all the shit that went down for you guys, but I know what this run of guitars represents. For those that knew what it was all about (you all know who you are), it was well worth it.

perfectly said, Jim! Kev, don't even think for a moment that this was a failure as it was not. Hell, even if one of us only appreciated it (which I know for sure it's not just one), then it should have been worth it. How often is it that you get a chance for this kind of opportunity. Don't let it beat the shit out of you, just think of us who really appreciated the whole ordeal that was JCF-02. I know I'm one of those people and everytime I play it, it's a great feeling. That right there is what matters, not the shit that was stirred....

[sambencuda]

No but Curt, Sully and myself are. I have to say that it hurts to see that happened to one of these guitars. After the intial ressurection of these guitars this run got tarnished little by little. Eventually it got to the point my stomach turned for even doing them because they lost what they were supposed to be truly about.

I despise the day these were built and hate them more and more with each passing issue that arises. I sold mine for this very reason. When we walked away from this run there were several ideas that were on the table for JCF-03 and we decided that we didn't have the backbone to continue. If you do a series like 02 that has such an endearing special meaning and it gets muddied worse and worse as days go by you get to a point of wondering why you felt your hard work was worth it.... it wasn't ..

Kev I completely understand why you feel this way. I also agree that JCF 03 would problaly not be a good idea in light of this mess.

Keep this in mind though. There are a few members who got in on this for the real reason that this run was created for. I know of a few members myself who hold these guitars out of respect to Robbin. Of all the bad that came out of this run there are a few who knew and still know what it was really about.

I was not in on the run, but I wanted one since they were completed. With every painful thread that I read, I started to lose interest and felt just as you do.

There are scumbags and degenerates in all walks of life. Unfortunaltely even here (past and present). It sickens me to see this obviously deliberate act of anger.

Please don't let this gross sign of disrespect or any of the other bullshit make you, Kurt or Sully feel that all of your efforts were not worth it. I know I probably don't know half of all the shit that went down for you guys, but I know what this run of guitars represents. For those that knew what it was all about (you all know who you are), it was well worth it.

[Mayday]

I'm just glad Robbin ain't here to see that.

No but Curt, Sully and myself are. I have to say that it hurts to see that happened to one of these guitars. After the intial ressurection of these guitars this run got tarnished little by little. Eventually it got to the point my stomach turned for even doing them because they lost what they were supposed to be truly about.

I despise the day these were built and hate them more and more with each passing issue that arises. I sold mine for this very reason. When we walked away from this run there were several ideas that were on the table for JCF-03 and we decided that we didn't have the backbone to continue. If you do a series like 02 that has such an endearing special meaning and it gets muddied worse and worse as days go by you get to a point of wondering why you felt your hard work was worth it.... it wasn't ..

[Johnnyryche]

Damn, Ian. Sorry to hear and see this happen. Hopefully 'what comes around, goes around. Have a good Christmas, bro!

[Newc]

Filing a claim with the shipper for reimbursement would probably not work - was it even insured?

In any event, Jackson cannot make another one as per the JCF series agreement (though I don't know if that covers this type of situation).

I'm just glad Robbin ain't here to see that.

[Budman68]

I'm just friggin ill looking at these pics. How the hell this could be done to this guitar, or to any guitar for that matter, is beyond me. I truly hope you get what's coming to you Ian.

This really made me half sick to look at -

[jackson1]

I'm truly sorry this happened, Ian, but let me get this straight:

You waited over 4 months before initiating the arrangements of a pick up? What was Pats comment on this?

You then failed 9 (nine?!) times in scheduling a pickup? That sounds like a lot. What was Pats comments on this?

Timeline...
vii) Picked day, scheduled pickup, no FedEx.. no box.

I don't understand this. FedEx didn't pick it up or wasn't allowed to pick it up?


I am just trying to understand, that's all. What happened to that guitar is unbelievable. It really does seem like deliberate damage

[Top Jimmy B]

I'm sorry to see this happen to your guitar, Ian. After looking at those pics, in horror, I agree with the others that your guitar was beat up prior to being shipped to you. I just can't believe someone would do something like this.

I truly hope you are able to resolve this to your satisfaction.

[mattsmusiccenter]

Wow... I hung out with Pat a few years ago and he was cool as hell. Sorry to hear this deal went bad.

[youthinkyourfish]

Very good question heartfeilder.... very good question indeed... but apparently he did... along with the shipping issues with scheduling and perhaps my lack of scheduling...
Whatever it was, it led to this... and true, in hindsight, I should have gone there to inspect it... should have had the police officer inspect it... there are all kind of things that I should have or could have done.... but now, its water under the bridge... oh well... the deed is done... all the more stupid of him and all the more ammunition I need...

In some ways I am glad becuase now, tenfold is an understatement as to what will happen next.... in actual fact, I feel sorry for this guy, but then again, no I don't... its all about Karma...
..and Guys, thanks for your support on this... it means a helluva lot...

All in all, have a great Christmas, New Year and a wonderful holiday season.... I hope your days are joyous and you have good times with family and loved ones.... me, I'm going down to the Bahamas with my wife to spend family time..wooHOO!! ... this guitar will be addressed upon my return... trust me when I say, it will be addressed... ...it's already started....

Cheers

[heartfielder]

I'm a little confused ... If you sent him the money for the guitar, he cashes the check or whatever. What does he care how long it takes you to pick it up ??

[Shawn Lutz]

yea...not packed properly so maybe fedex wont pay the insurance damage?

Sorry you had to go through that bullshit Ian...

To take that long, from January to almost a full year to ship is total BS. I would have taken trip for a nice face to face visit if it were my 2500 and I could give a fuck who you were or how badass you think you are...I'd be there with bells and whistles I can gaurantee ya that......no internet muscles here

[sambencuda]

Ian, I can't tell you how sorry I am that this happened. I've never dealt with Pat, but I have dealt with you and I know that you are one of the most honest, understanding and easiest going people to deal with. I hope you can get this worked out by Fedex.

You know, maybe this would make a good candidate for a Big Red relic? you could get the headstock repaired, put a chrome floyd on it maybe put a chip or two in it to match the original? It's just a thought. Maybe it could make something good out of something bad? I've always wanted to do that, but would never want to "relic" a perfect JCF 02 or a high dollar custom shop.

Good luck Ian.

[eddie_van_earache]

hmmm maybe it got damaged long ago after the deal was made. He wasnt man enough to step up and say "dude its broke" he said.. "deals off sending money". not saying that true. Maybe he smashed it? Dont know. either way its fucked up.

NOTE no paint chips in the case. Damage = pre packing. Screwing = ever since the deal when down.

Merry aXmas

[slash-ed]

That. Is just plain bullshit.