Why you never deal with Strangletooth...!

[~K~]

Toejam was a pity admin

[toejam]

I know. Pity the fool.

[Strangletooth]

The 2 Beer mugs toasting!!! What happened to them? Either way Congrad's again! Everyone needs to do a little charity work once in a while!!

Pat

The big post coming right up...

[toejam]

Ah, that toast dealio. Still here. Click on "more" and scroll down to the bottom.

[lerxstcat]

Lerx, how soon we forget aye? And it's REAL easy for you to sit there and jump to conclusions... Just a guess aye? You do a lot of that, you always have...

It's real easy to just sit and listen and take someone's word as gospel, how so? And I would advise you to get your story straight on the Chuckracer issue, go back and read... There was a lot more to it than, but shallow minds...

Pat

Well Pat, tell us then what happened? I thought you were gone from here because you threatened to shut the board down if the admins didn't ban you. That was the last we heard from you until this.

If you read the whole thread you'll also see that I characterized you as a good-hearted guy with a short fuse. Is that untrue? You ARE a good-hearted guy, but you went off bad on Chuckracer - a guy who is basically slowly dying, but you begrudged him an Intellifex. You didn't begrudge him saving a guitar, but the Intellifex was worth running him out of here? Anybody know if he's even still with us? I changed IP and lost his info.

Dude, I appreciate the help you gave me, that was awesome. Also recall that Chuck orchestrated the whole thing for me. It saved my life at the time and I'm still grateful, but Chuck was in the same shoes as me, for different conditions. I can imagine how much life that took out of him. That was fucked, and the ultimatum you gave this w3hole board was also fucked.

So, that being the last I heard of you, can you see why this might be plausible? Look at it logically, if it wasn't you you'd agree.

But I'd love to hear your full story. The quotes I've seen above show me some reason for aggravation, I'll give you that. But why withhold the trem plate? Isn't that part of the guitar? Did you pack it internal to the case so it wouldn't move? Anyway, please elaborate.

[Strangletooth]

First and foremost....

I did nothing to that guitar, PERIOD!

And WTF?!?!?

Why didn't ANY of you tell me about this thread/lies/garbage? Ya know, I haven't been around in more than a year I believe, hell maybe 2, but geez, I consider many of you here friends... And for some of you to just jump to conclusions and jump all in on a bash Pat thread because one idiot makes a post accusing me of this horrid act, without ever once emailing me, and asking my side, just absolutely blows me away!!!! And especially after everything I've personally done for A LOT of you and this board, and still do. You guys just sit there and take this as gospel, are you kidding me?

Second, good to see you guys again, well some of you anyway, it's been a while, and no I won't be sticking around, I'm basically going to say what I feel I need to, watch it for a couple of days and I'm done. These boards consume way too much of my time, and I just don't have it these days, so I don't even want to start... 2 kids, 2 companies, etc etc blah blah... And before anyone asks, Zakk's doing great, he'll be 4 in March and perfectly healthy and yes has his own Jackson USA DK.

Third, thanx Tim for posting this! Don't be a stranger bro!

Now, for some of the questions you've asked...

I "can't" file a claim as I wasn't the one that shipped it, Ian used his account and had it picked up FINALLY, my name was never on the thing. If I had the opportunity to do so? Would I? Doubtful as Ian's wasted more time of my life than I care to give... 7 or so pickups that never came?!?!? That's just wrong in A LOT of ways! So if it were up to me, maybe I would, maybe I wouldn't, but I certainly wouldn't be in a hurry doing so. He would be paying me for my time if I did so, yeh I know that's wrong but this dude's wasted a ton of it already and there wasn't any reason for it, he did it, he did it all... A simple email stating he didn't get a chance to schedule a pickup would have been fine, for a little while anyway... But he doesn't have common courtesy to do this, that's Ian in a nutshell, doesn't give a shit about anyone but Ian...

And why would "he" come here and make these claims? A couple things come to mind and of course, this is just speculation...

1. He tried to backout of the deal 3 times, perhaps 4! Buyers remorse? A little extreme, but you could have probably sold it rather quickly if needed, but there's that wife thing again...

2. It's been a nightmare dealing with Ian from the word go, so who knows? Payback for me dicking him around for 6 months, of course after he did the same for longer actually... But again, Ian doesn't see this as an inconvenience to my family and myself, and that's a large part of his problem...

3. One sure way to get his money back I suppose, but if it didn't happen in shipping, I'd imagine he'd be flurting some insurance fraud charges.

4. Packing? That's the same way I got the guitar shipped to me I believe. I've had several shipped the same way without issue, didn't think anything of it. Weren't these originaly shipped like this? The box was pretty tight with thsoe cases, no? I don't remember personally, so a refresher may be in order here, if it even matters at this point.

5. Basically he fkd me around for well over 6 months, wasted 40+ hrs of MY LIFE waiting for his phantom FedEx pickups, so I in turn fkd him around for 6 months, absolutely!!!! Wouldn't you?!? My payback to Ian was keeping the swag and extras, not trashing this amazing guitar! I figured the swag was worth less than $25 ( keeping ALL sentimental value out of it ) and just a way to say fuck you Ian.... If he wants to press charges for that, go for it.... But he bought a guitar, he was sent a guitar, a mint guitar!

6.This guy has issues, ask his wife or is he divorced now? He's self centered, could absolutely care less about anyone except Ian, he has no concept of manners, etiquette or just plain human decency, Ian's world revolves around Ian and ONLY Ian, he could care less about anyone but himself, even his wife and he's made that crystal clear with this entire fiasco... As long as Ian gets what he wants on the terms he wants and at the time he wants, Ian's a happy guy, he doesn't care who he invconveniences in the process.... Sure he's all nice on the cover, but that's a thick book on the inside...

I believe he forced someone else to sit on their BR when he bought it, not sure how long or the details, but I know it was an inconveniece to this other former BR owner. I didn't realize there were so many storage facility owners here...

You guys believe what you want, but for those of you that know me, know me... And know that I'm pretty passionate about a lot of things and I wear a lot of things on my shoulder, I have absolutely no problem with telling someone how it is, I don't care who they are, who they know or what they do... I call em like I see em! Those of you that know me, know this... For those that don't know me, ask around... I've always gone WAY out of my way for another, I think my history on this forum proves that.

It still really bothers me I just find out about this now, nearly a month later...

Best!
Pat

[lerxstcat]

I think people that dont know either party should probably just excuse themselves from the argument. Its kinda stupid to argue over a third person occurence, no?

Then why does the Feedback Forum even exist then?

[Shawn]

Then why does the Feedback Forum even exist then?

For just that, feedback. Not faggy gossip,innuendo and rumor.

[Strangletooth]

Well Pat, tell us then what happened? I thought you were gone from here because you threatened to shut the board down if the admins didn't ban you. That was the last we heard from you until this.

If you read the whole thread you'll also see that I characterized you as a good-hearted guy with a short fuse. Is that untrue? You ARE a good-hearted guy, but you went off bad on Chuckracer - a guy who is basically slowly dying, but you begrudged him an Intellifex. You didn't begrudge him saving a guitar, but the Intellifex was worth running him out of here? Anybody know if he's even still with us? I changed IP and lost his info.

Dude, I appreciate the help you gave me, that was awesome. Also recall that Chuck orchestrated the whole thing for me. It saved my life at the time and I'm still grateful, but Chuck was in the same shos as me, for different conditions. I can imagine how much life that took out of him. That was fucked, and the ultimatum you gave this w3hole board was also fucked.

So, that being the last I heard of you, can you see why this might be plausible? Look at it logically, if it wasn't you you'd agree.

But I'd love to hear your full story. The quotes I've seen above show me some reason for aggravation, I'll give you that. But why withhold the trem plate? Isn't that part of the guitar? Did you pack it internal to the case so it wouldn't move? Anyway, please elaborate.

First, I didn't run Chuckracer out of here, I made my statement and stuck by it, if he left, he did it on his own. I'm no admin here, never was, never will be, I can't make those decisions.

The Chuckracer deal was a bad one... I sympathize with Chuck, his health issues and I've always liked Chuck, still do, hung with him at NAMM, etc. But the fact remains... A lot of people bust their asses around here doing for people when they're down, and when someone says they can't afford their meds, in typical JCF fashion, we as a brotherhood come to the rescue only to get kicked in the teeth by Chuck turning around buying gear the next week? And then rationalizes it by saying he bought the gear with a credit card?!? I stand by my remarks, both then and now...

As for threatening the Admin's with shutting down the board, that was never a viable threat, they knew this, after the fact, but I wanted it perfectly clear I wanted my user removed, not banned, removed. I may have been a bit overboard with that thread, but oh well, it hit me personally. I used to put way too much heart in to this place to stand here and have the majority of the posts on that particular topic say it's OK, I didn't want to be a part of it, period.

We're all dying in one way or another, hell Tommy probably wouldn't be with us if he didn't have the friends he does here, no offense Tommy, but we've talked and you know where I'm coming from.

As for the plate, not sure, I must have lost it... Sorry, I can send another right away if someone gives me the measurements...

Take care Lerx...

Pat

[lerxstcat]

Pat, I can respect you speaking your mind. That's what I did. I appreciated your help, but I am not a yes-man regardless, I will always say what I really think. It hasn't been the smartest thing sometimes but it's too late to change. If you ask my opinion about something you can be sure I'm not telling you what you want to hear, though.

I wish you well too, man. Anger can cause heart attacks, one reason I've TRIED to learn to control my own. Easier said than done, I know...

[~K~]

You ARE a good-hearted guy, but you went off bad on Chuckracer - a guy who is basically slowly dying, but you begrudged him an Intellifex. You didn't begrudge him saving a guitar, but the Intellifex was worth running him out of here? Anybody know if he's even still with us? I changed IP and lost his info.

Whoa!!! This is fukking bullshit... Chuck couldn't pay for his meds so we took up a fund and then after getting the money decided to buy something from the classifieds. When he got called on it he didn't like it an an argument ensued. He told me if I didn't like it I should leave the board after an argument and I tossed him ...

Don't blame pat for that it was me and I'd fukkin do the same thing today!! I can't beleive people are willing to throw someone else under the bus for something that they had nothing to do with directly!

[lerxstcat]

Kevin, obviously you're the one who had the power to toss him, but it was Pat who pretty much set the tone for those who were against Chuck getting the Intellifex. If I recall, Sully started that collection so Chuck wouldn't have to sell his guitar to get the meds. So that collection was for Chuck to keep a piece of gear. Why then was another piiece of gear so horrible?

Would you have banned Chuck if he hadn't gotten into it with you? It was his reaction to the slagging, led by Pat, that led him to get in your face. Not that he should've done that, but I think most people who remember that whole thing remember Pat leading the anti-Chuckracer faction - again, to the point of threatening to shut down the board. You seemed to think he was serious about that at the time, too. You said as much.

[~K~]

Again someone who appears to know more than the people that were actually involved.

1) Chuck got tossed because he got mad at me for reprinting a post that Pat had posted and unintentioally got deleted when we removed his membership. Chuck then dictated to me how I was to run the JCF and told me I should leave. After that BS I pulled the plug on his membership. His leaving had not one fukking thing to do with Pat so please get your facts straight

2) Chuck took money for meds and in a week decided to buy gear. It was a slap in the face to not only the members that contributed to this fund but Me and Sully.

To show you have no fukking clue about what your talking about the fund for Chuck was MY idea and I told Sull to run with it .. .again you know nothing of the background stuff...

Lastly we took up that fund because Chuck HAD to sell gear for meds. We felt bad he was doing that so we took up the collection and he kept the gear. A week later made a purchase form the classifieds. If he had the money for that then he had the money for the fukking meds..... END OF STORY....

I really hate it when people assume they know the behind the scenes stuff when they have no clue ... Your looking at making Pat a scapegoat for that even after I'm telling you that wasn't him ... Pat was already gone!


Lastly this thread wasn't about Chuck it was about Ian and Pat it does no good to argue about former members who don't mean anything to this board currently. I think if one party has the right to post a complaint the other has the right to repsond....

[Shawn]

And to make something else clear, I was the one who pointed out that it was total BS that he was buying shit when I had just got done sending money through paypal. Kevin didnt even know about it until I said something.

[~K~]

And to make something else clear, I was the one who pointed out that it was total BS that he was buying shit when I had just got done sending money through paypal. Kevin didnt even know about it until I said something.

Thanks Shawn, that is 110% correct