Why you never deal with Strangletooth...!

[lerxstcat]

If the return of Pat's post started the argument between you and Chuck, Kevin, then it DID have something to do with it. Granted Chuck should never have said that to you, especially if the whole project was your idea. And if Shawn was upset, well he has a right. But a lot of members were understanding of Chuck too; it wasn't a one-sided situation and many who gave to him said they were fine with what he did. Those who were upset had a right to be, but did they have a right to resent those who didn't? I don't think so, and it seemed there were more on Chuck's side than against him while that thread was around.

I also agree that Pat had a right to respond here. We had an exchange and it seems to me we cleared the air as far as disagreeing but mutually wishing each other well anyway.

[Chameleonfong]

[QUOTE=lerxstcat;858413]If the return of Pat's post started the argument between you and Chuck, Kevin, then it DID have something to do with it. QUOTE]

Even if Pat didn't start the post, somebody WILL. Would it change the outcome if someone else started the post instead? I don't reckon so.

[lerxstcat]

[quote=Chameleonfong;858437]

If the return of Pat's post started the argument between you and Chuck, Kevin, then it DID have something to do with it. QUOTE]

Even if Pat didn't start the post, somebody WILL. Would it change the outcome if someone else started the post instead? I don't reckon so.

"WILL"? We're talking about something that happened over a year ago. don't you mean "would have"?

Did you read the thread we're talking about? There were people who were mad about what chuck did, and those who didn't mind. Pat was the guy who basically said "Fuck you" to everybody who wasn't in the lynch mob, and threatened to shut down the board. Nobody else had that power.

So the admins closed Pat's account as he'd demanded, under threat of the board being shut down if they didn't. Pat's post was deleted, but then restored. That's what prompted the exchange between Kevin and Chuck that got Chuck banned.

So no, I don't think anybody else's post would have had the same effect.

[hippietim]

Rich, start your own thread. Leave this one for Ian and Pat.

In other words...

[lerxstcat]

I'm pretty sure Pat said what he wanted to already, Tim. But just for you....





Fuck Lee!

[hippietim]

Rich, your ride is here:

[lerxstcat]

Isn't that your band's gear van, Tim? I know, your wife has to drive because you couldn't pass the test, but still the band's van...

[Strangletooth]

Denny Crane!

WTF?!? It's like I never left...

Pat

[Newc]

Yeah, Pat, time doesn't advance on the JCF - the kids just never get older around here. It's like NeverNeverLand

And you HAD to mention the Tim Rose Dragon thing!? Took me what, almost a year to get those necks back where they belonged?

Or was that about your Dragon V? :scratch:

[Strangletooth]

Hey Newc! Good to see ya!!!

It wasn't the V, that went to Tom Diamond, as far as I know, he still has it...

I'm certainly glad that you finally have those 2 together, do you have both or?

Pat

[Newc]

Lord, no. Sold them both soon afterwards for soem reason. Raising money for JCF-01 or 02 IIRC.
Sold those as well

[Shawn Lutz]

Pat, nice seeing you but how is it dicking your around if you have his money? Seriously, how hard is it to get the guys address, ship on his account number and have it picked up at you place of business as to not waste valuable time waiting around for a FedEx truck to show up at your house? That would be maybe a 2 day process? You could have also just given the guy a refund and relisted the guitar to a less hasstled buyer no? That is why I'm having a hard understanding. I'm glad you came back to tell your side of the story.

I'd like to see Ian responses to Pats posts.

What is now obvious is someone is not telling the truth here...who is it???

For anyone who has to "sneak" gear past their wives....grow a pair would ya or find a different wife.

[Strangletooth]

Pat, nice seeing you but how is it dicking your around if you have his money? Seriously, how hard is it to get the guys address, ship on his account number and have it picked up at you place of business as to not waste valuable time waiting around for a FedEx truck to show up at your house? That would be maybe a 2 day process? You could have also just given the guy a refund and relisted the guitar to a less hasstled buyer no? That is why I'm having a hard understanding. I'm glad you came back to tell your side of the story.

I'd like to see Ian responses to Pats posts.

What is now obvious is someone is not telling the truth here...who is it???

For anyone who has to "sneak" gear past their wives....grow a pair would ya or find a different wife.

Shawn,

Good to see you to...

This was on his dime, and the thing was that he told me countless times that FedEx would be here, but the truth of the matter is that he never scheduled the pickups. And why can't I just leave it at my office? Because I never go to my office, I'm at home or at another office 3hrs away. I never know what the day will bring for me, I don't go somewhere at 8am and clock out at 4 and go home. You, I believe know this...

And keep in mind, it was his idea the entire time to wait for shipping, he had to sneak it past his wife, I've got a dozen or more emails regarding this. So when you ask how he was dicking me around when I had the money, it was HIS choice for all of it... It's always Ian's world and if you don't live under Ian's rules and request, apparently, this is what happens...

What pissed me off the most were the phantom pickups that never happened, even AFTER he got the Police involved, which I didn't mind a bit, I have a positive relationship with the Glen Carbon police, except they won't stop the freakin people speeding through my neighborhood every day.

The last pickup he supposedly scheduled was in Dec, he sent myself and the officer involved a tracking number that DID NOT EXSIST! And like a fool, I didn't check it on FedEx's site before sitting home yet another day... I thought since he got the police involved, a scheduled pickup would finally happen...

Tell me Shawn, if the tables were turned, how many times would you tolerate it? Hey Shawn, I scheduled a pickup for next Tuesday between 9 and 2, make sure someone's there please... No problem, Tuesday comes and no FedEx? Oh sorry Shawn, I forgot to schedule it, let's try again for next Monday, Monday comes, nope, no FedEx... Once, "maybe" 6 or 7 times?!?!? Are you feelin me yet? Fuck that....

The bottom line to this deal is simple, but I have no explanation for it, but I did NOT trash that guitar!!! And for those of you that know me, know I wouldn't... How many killer guitars have I owned in the past? Perhaps I knew something when I told him he didn't deserve this thing 8-9 months ago, I don't know...

Just his whole attitude towards the entire thing from the word go... These guitars and all guitars are just pieces to him, he doesn't care about them, it's all about how he looks to the next guy, yeh know, stroke me please, I have all these killer guitars...

Unlike some other collectors, he doesn't have the mentality for it... It's an ego trip, period, plain and simple...

Peace...
Pat

[Shawn]

Edited, its none of my business. Sorry.

[Strangletooth]

Occam's razor.

That kind of damage doesnt happen in shipping. Not scratches and scrapes going UP the wings.

Either you did it, or Ian did it. Truth is, we'll never know, so it doesnt really matter. Looks to me like it was handled like shit on both ends.

Too bad, its a special guitar. Why did you sell it in the first place?

No comment on the shipping issue?!?

Well, explain to me what part I had in it was "handled like shit?" I went way over and beyond for this tool... Packing? Well, I believe you have a BR, did it have packing in it? Or was there even room for it with the box? I don't recall seeing any when I got mine, but I could be mistaken, it's been what, 2 yrs or so now? I've seen way too many things happen in shipping, packing under/around the headstock = Snapped neck, those cases are pretty durable and form fitting so I didn't hesitate shipping it the same way it was safely shipped to me.

I sold most of my axe's at the time, didn't need 60+ , so I cleaned house. The majority of the funds raised from the fire sale were used to build a new network. I kept a few guitars and that was it. Not that it's any of anyone's business, but it was public knowledge at the time...

Who else sold Ian a BR? And how long did you have to wait for shipping it so he could sneak it past his wife? I guess Mr Lee thinks we're all his personal storage facilities?

I will say this, had it been ANY other guitar, well almost any other, very few would fit this category, but it would have sat on the porch from the 2nd time he allegedly scheduled a pickup and neglected to inform me he didn't, but instead expects someone to wait around for nothing. I'll give someone once, maybe twice as shit does happen, but 7 times?!?!?

Pat