Why you never deal with Strangletooth...!

[Strangletooth]

And thanx Jimmy, I can certainly understand, although quite hard, but understand how people can come to a conclusion here... I'm just glad Donnie gave me a heads up on all of this, it was actually on another forum, but if it was there, I figured it would be here as well.

I won't hold any comments towards me against anyone or take things personally, I'd be driving that bus as you probably all know if I were looking in.

Pat

[Top Jimmy B]

Thanks Pat, I'll buy you a beer if I see in Sturgis this summer.

[hippietim]

Kevin,Pat,Tim. Those are all believable and no doubt true stories of your dealing with Ian. I have heard of other Ian stories as well exactly like that. I am NOT in Ian's corner, or in Pats corner, as some would like to choose sides.

Absolutely none of those experiences are an excuse,reason or explanation of what happened to that guitar. And what happened to that guitar is the real issue, isnt it?

So what happened to that guitar? Its a big step going from being a slow payer and afraid of your wife to smashing a $2500 guitar to make someone else look bad.

What would the motivation be for that?

Personally, I don't think either guys would do that to *THAT* guitar (in particular). If Pat packed it like it they were originally shipped to us then it is easy for me to see how this damage could have occured.

Look at the pictures, the case was unlatched. That means that guitar could rattle like crazy in the box. That also means the whammy bar and whatever else was in the compartment could rattle around and scratch the shit out of the guitar. I know about this from first hand experience being on the receiving end on of a guitar that shipped with a loose bar in the case.

I think Pat should have included the plate and other case candy because it belongs with the guitar - that was a petty thing to do. At the same time, I understand his frustration with Ian.

[scoville]

Shawn,

Good to see you to...

This was on his dime, and the thing was that he told me countless times that FedEx would be here, but the truth of the matter is that he never scheduled the pickups. And why can't I just leave it at my office? Because I never go to my office, I'm at home or at another office 3hrs away. I never know what the day will bring for me, I don't go somewhere at 8am and clock out at 4 and go home. You, I believe know this...

And keep in mind, it was his idea the entire time to wait for shipping, he had to sneak it past his wife, I've got a dozen or more emails regarding this. So when you ask how he was dicking me around when I had the money, it was HIS choice for all of it... It's always Ian's world and if you don't live under Ian's rules and request, apparently, this is what happens...

What pissed me off the most were the phantom pickups that never happened, even AFTER he got the Police involved, which I didn't mind a bit, I have a positive relationship with the Glen Carbon police, except they won't stop the freakin people speeding through my neighborhood every day.

The last pickup he supposedly scheduled was in Dec, he sent myself and the officer involved a tracking number that DID NOT EXSIST! And like a fool, I didn't check it on FedEx's site before sitting home yet another day... I thought since he got the police involved, a scheduled pickup would finally happen...

Tell me Shawn, if the tables were turned, how many times would you tolerate it? Hey Shawn, I scheduled a pickup for next Tuesday between 9 and 2, make sure someone's there please... No problem, Tuesday comes and no FedEx? Oh sorry Shawn, I forgot to schedule it, let's try again for next Monday, Monday comes, nope, no FedEx... Once, "maybe" 6 or 7 times?!?!? Are you feelin me yet? Fuck that....

The bottom line to this deal is simple, but I have no explanation for it, but I did NOT trash that guitar!!! And for those of you that know me, know I wouldn't... How many killer guitars have I owned in the past? Perhaps I knew something when I told him he didn't deserve this thing 8-9 months ago, I don't know...

Just his whole attitude towards the entire thing from the word go... These guitars and all guitars are just pieces to him, he doesn't care about them, it's all about how he looks to the next guy, yeh know, stroke me please, I have all these killer guitars...

Unlike some other collectors, he doesn't have the mentality for it... It's an ego trip, period, plain and simple...

Peace...
Pat

..... sounds like a confession

[Strangletooth]

Please tell me more Dr Phil... After you read it all of course...

Pat

[fett]

Why would anyone get in the middle of this?

[StukaJU87]

..... sounds like a confession

Please tell me more Dr Phil... After you read it all of course...

Pat

For real. I'd love to hear how he arrived at that conclusion.:ROTF:

[toejam]

..... sounds like a confession

Sounds like you need to STFU.

[scoville]

your responses are so full of anger at how much of your time was wasted and you got dicked around ... not saying you didn't have a reason to be angry .. but its a certainly a motive.
if you didn't mangle the guitar it really doesn't matter how much you got dicked around. simply say you didn't do it.

[scoville]

and i wasn't accusing you, just simply saying that your saying more than you need to .. the fact that you're spilling your guts which are filled with hate makes it look like a confession ...
... i'll ignore the other infantile comments

[toejam]

if you didn't mangle the guitar it really doesn't matter how much you got dicked around. simply say you didn't do it.

He did.

"4. Packing? That's the same way I got the guitar shipped to me I believe. I've had several shipped the same way without issue, didn't think anything of it. Weren't these originaly shipped like this? The box was pretty tight with thsoe cases, no? I don't remember personally, so a refresher may be in order here, if it even matters at this point."

You show me ANY guitar manufacturer (besides maybe Neal Moser) who puts extra packing materials in a box or case. And luckily it was a USA made guitar, otherwise there wouldn't even be a case for it.

[scoville]

yes he did say that ... and alot more, which was my point.

[toejam]

And Ian said a lot more, too. So Pat can't come here and defend himself? What really is your point?

[StukaJU87]

Really man. Joe is right here. Ian blasted Pat into oblivion. Pat has every right to send out as much info as he feels comfortable with.

[Spivonious]

Scoville, just let it go man. You really have no place to talk with only 14 posts. Even I am hesitant to post anything here and I have over 200.

For the thread at hand:

It's obvious to me that this guitar was damaged in shipping. The box is busted apart at the seams, the case got banged around and opened, and everything in the case proceeded to mess up the guitar as it got banged around. If you look in the photo Ian posted, you can see a chip of red paint in the case up by the headstock. Pat, I wasn't posting here when you were, but you seem like a nice guy who is frustrated with Ian's actions. However, it would take a lot for me to call the cops on someone, so there must be more going on here than is posted.

Ian: For now, I would take Mark up on his offer and get the guitar fixed up. File a claim with FedEx to get your money back and throw a little Mark's way for the repairs.