Got a 2009 Challenger RT

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You read way too much into my actions

Max: " i don't see why she won't just get one of those."

One reason might be because of the mass. The Dodge is far away from being the car that the Chevy or Ford is, IMO.

Also, don't discount loyalty: One of my co-workers went totally gaga over the new Camaro. She (!) got a silver V8 and it has basically changed her life. She does all kinds of activities with other Camaro owners, and even planned a recent vacation around a 10 car photo shoot (!) in Fresno (!!). This lady is vehemently anti Mustang.

Loyalty is exactly the reason. My wife is a Camaro nerd.

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Still the challenger pushes 102.6 Hp per ton and the Mustang 88.1 per ton. Then hp/liters is pretty even though with srt8 at 69.6/L and the mustang at 68.6/L. It's impressive that the mustang is only 0.1 secs away from the Challenger on the quarter mile. Weight or not, it's just not justifiable to have a 41 000$ (base price btw) barely capable of out running a 28 000$ (also base). That said, i think it's common knowledge now and people looking for speed and performance will mostly likely look else. Thing is, there's just a lot of things the others can't provide compared to the Challenger. These things just can't be compared. I am young, but i could just imagine being 45 years old and buying a new car modeled after the car i drove in my heyday, but with all sorts of modern conveniences. (I can't imagine it being that popular in 24 years, but heh theres also room for positive thinking :P)

P.S. why did you quote maximum crunch in there too, was he talking about speed or power? It sounds like you're trying to make fun of his wife. Just sayin man.. max might now find it funny.

My wife has a great power to weight ratio, she only weighs 120ish and can run a quarter mile pretty quick.

[Spivonious]

Are those numbers right? My Focus hatchback has 100hp/ton and 65hp/L. I can't help but think the Mustang/Challenger are faster than my Focus. Of course I'm sure they destroy it in torque numbers.

[Fender]

Are those numbers right? My Focus hatchback has 100hp/ton and 65hp/L. I can't help but think the Mustang/Challenger are faster than my Focus. Of course I'm sure they destroy it in torque numbers.

Yup people always talk about HP, like when the new v6 camaro was coming out with 300 something hp and the 2010 mustang gt v8 only had 15 more. The v6's can't keep up with the Gt's on the track because torque makes a difference and the mustang has about 80lbs more of it. torque wins the drag race. Also you have to consider a lot of things. My car makes about 320 rwhp at full tune. However, i opted to keep my 3.27 gear but i drive it a lot more than i race it. I bought a 3.73 to install , which would probably earn me .5 + on my quarter mile. Needless to say, more aggressive gears are very important for drag races. I sometimes get beat by near stock cars like mine because all they got was a gear, air intake and a tuned chip. Anyways to get back to the topic, i drive a Mustang, my dad drives one and it's something that means a lot to us. Since i was kid i've wanted one. Not because i disliked camaro's, but like everyone else the Mustang is american car that regular people can have. Not everyone can afford a big cadillac or drive a corvette, but it's not such a stretch to have a Mustang. I got mine when i was 18 and i can honestly say that I've had some of the best time in my life with that car. That doesn't mean, that i wouldn't buy a Camaro or a Challenger. In the 2010 models, I'd be leaning on the camaro, even though the Mustang comes loaded with features that make it more enjoyable on the track and just a lot comfier (that's me personally, i don't like the low seating of the camaros). However, that's all about to change with the twin cam 5.0 for 2011 .

[Davey]

heh.. you need to start putting those cars on a diet boys anything below 200hp/ton is a sunday sofa.

[CKJ]

Which forum? I used to hang out on thirdgen.org.

LS1LT1.com

[RacerX]

CKJ, here's my LT1

[CKJ]

CKJ, here's my LT1

Freakin sweet! I always wanted me a B-body!

Here's a couple of mine

94Z Convertible, my first car, 2800 Yank stall, underdrive pullies, cutout, Moroso CAI, few other odds and ins


2002 Trans Am Firehawk, just a SLP LM1 catback, all stock 22K original miles in pristine condition


Last but not least, the heavily modified of the bunch my 95 TA. Its tore down at the moment and depending how much the cylinder walls need to be bored to clean them up, it'll probably end up being around a 398-401 cu in, hyd roller, 12.75:1 static compression, 7500 rpm shift point LS1 PCM conversion, 250/260 .70x/.68x 105.5 LSA (on a 1.6 rocker and yes you read right) fully ported LT4 heads that flow 296 cfm @ .600" lift on a tight flowbench, highly modified welded LT4 intake, viper main shaft T56 and a Dana 60 w/ 4.30 gears, 1/2" ARP studs, locker 35 splined axles and every other imaginable bolt on.

here's a shot of the engine bay before I tore it down in Dec of 08


I love my LTx's

[Fender]

Freakin sweet! I always wanted me a B-body!

Here's a couple of mine

94Z Convertible, my first car, 2800 Yank stall, underdrive pullies, cutout, Moroso CAI, few other odds and ins


2002 Trans Am Firehawk, just a SLP LM1 catback, all stock 22K original miles in pristine condition


Last but not least, the heavily modified of the bunch my 95 TA. Its tore down at the moment and depending how much the cylinder walls need to be bored to clean them up, it'll probably end up being around a 398-401 cu in, hyd roller, 12.75:1 static compression, 7500 rpm shift point LS1 PCM conversion, 250/260 .70x/.68x 105.5 LSA (on a 1.6 rocker and yes you read right) fully ported LT4 heads that flow 296 cfm @ .600" lift on a tight flowbench, highly modified welded LT4 intake, viper main shaft T56 and a Dana 60 w/ 4.30 gears, 1/2" ARP studs, locker 35 splined axles and every other imaginable bolt on.

here's a shot of the engine bay before I tore it down in Dec of 08


I love my LTx's

But every once in a while, you hate them when you gotta change those last two spark plugs hehe . You have nice cars man. All my friends have F bodies, so when we were stock and doing small bolt ons, i was always slightly behind them, unless they missed a shift or something lol. Anyways they have Mostly 93-97 Camaros and firebirds. One of them has got good clean bolt on set-up. I think last year he whopped me when i was stock and did 13.7 (probably does better now). His twin brother has a same year (1995) Firebird and it's got a good list of mods, but was running crappy last year at the track. Still managed 13.5. The other friend worth mentioning has a 2001 Camaro and he's got a cat back, headers, underdrive pulleys and the last i heard a Corvette upper intake. He was in the 13.45-13.5 range with nothing but an underdrive and a catback, so he must be looking into the 13.0-13.2 areas now. Another one of my friends has a stock 95, and my good buddy has a sweet 88 Iroc Z. He has the 5.7 tpi, but god that thing is slow. Still, it's got all the style and classic mid 80's chevy feel that i love. What times you getting with your modded T/a ?

Here's my baby . It took me a while to afford it, a bit more to mod it. Slowly but surely. I had plans for this summer, but duty calls and I'm doing basic in 2 weeks. I wanted to get her in the 13.0-13.4 range, but i guess that'll have to wait.

[Spivonious]

CKJ, here's my LT1

Grandpa?

[CKJ]

But every once in a while, you hate them when you gotta change those last two spark plugs hehe . You have nice cars man. All my friends have F bodies, so when we were stock and doing small bolt ons, i was always slightly behind them, unless they missed a shift or something lol. Anyways they have Mostly 93-97 Camaros and firebirds. One of them has got good clean bolt on set-up. I think last year he whopped me when i was stock and did 13.7 (probably does better now). His twin brother has a same year (1995) Firebird and it's got a good list of mods, but was running crappy last year at the track. Still managed 13.5. The other friend worth mentioning has a 2001 Camaro and he's got a cat back, headers, underdrive pulleys and the last i heard a Corvette upper intake. He was in the 13.45-13.5 range with nothing but an underdrive and a catback, so he must be looking into the 13.0-13.2 areas now. Another one of my friends has a stock 95, and my good buddy has a sweet 88 Iroc Z. He has the 5.7 tpi, but god that thing is slow. Still, it's got all the style and classic mid 80's chevy feel that i love. What times you getting with your modded T/a ?

Here's my baby . It took me a while to afford it, a bit more to mod it. Slowly but surely. I had plans for this summer, but duty calls and I'm doing basic in 2 weeks. I wanted to get her in the 13.0-13.4 range, but i guess that'll have to wait.

You would be surprised how much easier plug changes are on a LTx w/ LT headers. I can change them all within 30 minutes Thanks for the compliment, I really take a lot of pride in my cars as well as everything I own/do. I can honestly say that I haven't taken it to the track when I had the 383 LT4 going in the 95 TA (silver). I was tracking down a couple of problems with the heads that were done by somebody else before I bought them which turned to be a giant shit hole. However I hung in there and forked out the money again to have them done right. The valve job was complete @$$ and after only 5k miles 5 of the guides on each head were wore slam out, and they were a brand new set of heads that were ported. Hopefully when I get her back together and get everything seated/broken in I can make my way to the track.

You've got a nice looking stang! I respect domestic muscle cars, even if they are the sworn enemies of the F-bodies! I just can't stand ricers (the people who think big spoilers and stickers add hp and think they're the fastest in the world). Keep on modding, it doesn't take long to get in that time area.

[Fender]

You would be surprised how much easier plug changes are on a LTx w/ LT headers. I can change them all within 30 minutes Thanks for the compliment, I really take a lot of pride in my cars as well as everything I own/do. I can honestly say that I haven't taken it to the track when I had the 383 LT4 going in the 95 TA (silver). I was tracking down a couple of problems with the heads that were done by somebody else before I bought them which turned to be a giant shit hole. However I hung in there and forked out the money again to have them done right. The valve job was complete @$$ and after only 5k miles 5 of the guides on each head were wore slam out, and they were a brand new set of heads that were ported. Hopefully when I get her back together and get everything seated/broken in I can make my way to the track.

You've got a nice looking stang! I respect domestic muscle cars, even if they are the sworn enemies of the F-bodies! I just can't stand ricers (the people who think big spoilers and stickers add hp and think they're the fastest in the world). Keep on modding, it doesn't take long to get in that time area.

Thanks, and yeah what was up with that. I know a valve job is a lot easier on a pushrod. There are so many quality parts out there for cheaper than over heads that you can get something done nice. Were the heads a little warped? When i had mine ported and polish they needed to be honed a bit and a good machine surfacing. Only have 45k miles on em' too, but it's part of the job. Got some heavier cams in there and i got nice old school muscle car loping . I am on the same page as you though, why hate each other, when we could direct our hate to the real foreigners. The ones that don't necessarily get better results or look nicer and direct a large flow of money away from the US and Canadian pockets. American cars play a role in all our lives. Most are made in Ontario and Motown. Not to mention all your camaros and Firebirds were built 15 minutes from where i live, in a plant that shut down partly because of foreign cars being so god damn cheap. Would love to see some vids of your cars if you got any. I am Mustang guy through and through, but if i could have a second car it would probably be an F-body

[TVTiZtiK]

That Challenger is gorgeous! I'd kill for one, especially an RT.

My dad used to have a 02' 35th Anv. Z28 Camaro, I loved that thing. Motherfucker sold it and bought a Chrysler 300C.

[CKJ]

Thanks, and yeah what was up with that. I know a valve job is a lot easier on a pushrod. There are so many quality parts out there for cheaper than over heads that you can get something done nice. Were the heads a little warped? When i had mine ported and polish they needed to be honed a bit and a good machine surfacing. Only have 45k miles on em' too, but it's part of the job. Got some heavier cams in there and i got nice old school muscle car loping . I am on the same page as you though, why hate each other, when we could direct our hate to the real foreigners. The ones that don't necessarily get better results or look nicer and direct a large flow of money away from the US and Canadian pockets. American cars play a role in all our lives. Most are made in Ontario and Motown. Not to mention all your camaros and Firebirds were built 15 minutes from where i live, in a plant that shut down partly because of foreign cars being so god damn cheap. Would love to see some vids of your cars if you got any. I am Mustang guy through and through, but if i could have a second car it would probably be an F-body

The valve job was just pure crap on the heads. They were a brand new OEM casting before they were sent to this guy(a real good friend had the heads and sold them to me). They were supposed to have bigger 2.08 1.60 valves made of titanium but Ferrea 2.00 & 1.56 steel valves were installed. The average intake port only flowed 10-15 cfm more than stock (255-260 cfm @ .600" lift) and the valve job was so bad it caused the valve to be off aligned and wore the 5 guides on each head out within 5K miles of usage. The valvetrain geometry was correct with the prettiest wear pattern you'd want to see in the middle of the valve, and everything else I done was correct on my behalf.

If I mentioned who done the heads you would somewhat be in a shock if you heard of him. However if you talk to people who have went behind him and checked his work then you wouldn't be surprised.

[Fender]

There's a lot of guys out there who have reputations that they can't back without someone else doing their work. Sean Hyland , for instance, i pure full of shit. He's the Ed Roman of muscle cars. That's too bad though, but i assume it's all fixed up .