Portnoy leaves Dream Theater

[Endrik]

Acting like a little girl? You mean posting as if you know better what DT should do than they do, or speaking condescendingly about their reasoning and their process? I don't think I am the one doing that.

What you are doing is falling for stupid bullshit. In that reality show they were either bi-polar or just full of shit, contradicting their own statements all their time, at one point it was cool to improvise then the next moment it was not.
And what, DT fans are all the same? Sub-cultural"racism". I know some die-hard old-school fans who think their last 3 or 4 albums have been total crap. So what does that tell you. They don't really give a shit about their fans?
Or maybe art isn't about pleasing everybody all the time, it's about taking risks, being creative and actually progressing...
And where did you get the idea that I believe Mangini isn't capable of bringing in new ideas? Please show me! Mangini just wasn't really an active musicians anymore, he focused on teaching and occasional session work. Marco is a dude who constantly creates fresh things as he is highly active musician right now.

In particular that's where Virgil Donati failed, screwing up part of a song trying to do something extra cool, screwing it up several times and only then playin g it right for them to show them he could.

He should have played it right the first time, then said "I have an idea for this part, would you mind if we ran through it a few times?" Not that we don't know Virgil is quite capable of doing it right, but it was kind of a diss to them to do that when he was auditioning to prove he could do the job as required.

Wow do you actually listen to what they played? Donati played Portony's part correctly the first time (notice Petrucci commenting how he played the right thing) but also added 16th note displacements on top of it. 2 drum parts in one.
There's this thing called communication. If they wouldn't have liked what he was doing, they could have told him! Rudess told that he actually liked what he was doing. But maybe he was just full of shit like most of the time during that reality show.

He fufilled the first and most importapnt part - faithfully recreating the work of the diverse players who came before him.

You mean Broderick can play other people's parts note for note? Yeah, that's really something. First year music school students can play Charlie Parker's tunes note for note, but most of them still suck. There's more to music than playing correct pitches in the right order. That's why Broderick doesn't sound really good, he doesn't have balls at all in his playing when he tries to play some Friedman lead.

[Sinistas]

Wow. What did the DT guys do to you to inspire such venom?

[Spivonious]

E:

Or maybe art isn't about pleasing everybody all the time, it's about taking risks, being creative and actually progressing...

Do you honestly feel that DT have been progressing for their past 4 albums? If anything they're regressing to a more radio-friendly hard rock band. Everytime I listen to Images & Words, I am blown away by the amazing songwriting and musicianship. Everytime I listen to Systematic Chaos, I come away bored and wish that Rudess would play piano instead of the second guitar part.

I'd be surprised if they have one more album released before breaking up. They're out of ideas, and have been for almost ten years.

[javert]

He fufilled the first and most importapnt part - faithfully recreating the work of the diverse players who came before him. Whether he ever gets the chance to do more depends on what Dave Mustaine will allow him to do. The point is that he is doing an admiraqble job of what Dave Mustaine wanted first and foremost in a guitarist, which is to play HIS music perfectly. I'm gonna guess that Friedman left because he was limited in his self-expression and after 10 years was ready for something else. So part 2 of your thesis may not even be of any importance to Dave at this point.

So why did you bring him up? You are contradicting yourself.

[lerxstcat]

I brought him up as someone who I have no doubt COULD. That shouldn't be too hard to understand, right? Just because he hasn't been given that opportunity in Nevermore or Megadeth doesn't mean that I doubt he could. It's easy enough to extrapolate given his demonstrated skills.

[lerxstcat]

Wow. What did the DT guys do to you to inspire such venom?

They built a career for themselves!

[lerxstcat]

Yeah, that's really something. First year music school students can play Charlie Parker's tunes note for note, but most of them still suck. There's more to music than playing correct pitches in the right order. That's why Broderick doesn't sound really good, he doesn't have balls at all in his playing when he tries to play some Friedman lead.

Can you? Don't knock it if you can't. If you can, please post a video so we can enjoy it.

As Spivonius said, I don't know what makes you so bitter towards Dream Theater. They're just a band like many others trying to make their way in the world. You speak as though you're superior to it all, yet where is the evidence of that? If you're good enough to be condescending about John Petrucci and Chris Broderick, I'd dearly love to hear your playing.

[horns666]

...I gotta poop.

[javert]

I brought him up as someone who I have no doubt COULD. That shouldn't be too hard to understand, right? Just because he hasn't been given that opportunity in Nevermore or Megadeth doesn't mean that I doubt he could. It's easy enough to extrapolate given his demonstrated skills.

And until he actual does, it's baseless speculation and claims that cannot be verified, like most of what you've said. If he does, you're right, and if he doesn't it's just because Mustaine didn't let me him. Wow, amazing. And, again, if you actually read what was being said (by yourself, no less), you said he DOES. Now, that's not the same as COULD, is it? (or in your own words, "that shouldn't be too hard to understand, right?") It's one thing to not read what other people actually write, but to not even grasp the meaning of your own statements...

[javert]

... and, for the record, I like John Petrucci, Chris Broderick, Dream Theater and Megadeth.

[javert]

The thread has seriously derailed, it seems. Who would have thought the reasoning behind a band's choice of drummer could be such explosive material?

[horns666]

The thread has seriously derailed, it seems. Who would have thought the reasoning behind a band's choice of drummer could be such explosive material?

"explosive material"...yes!

...it was a good poop!

[javert]

"explosive material"...yes!

...it was a good poop!

At least somebody got something out of it!

[lerxstcat]

And until he actual does, it's baseless speculation and claims that cannot be verified, like most of what you've said. If he does, you're right, and if he doesn't it's just because Mustaine didn't let me him. Wow, amazing. And, again, if you actually read what was being said (by yourself, no less), you said he DOES. Now, that's not the same as COULD, is it? (or in your own words, "that shouldn't be too hard to understand, right?") It's one thing to not read what other people actually write, but to not even grasp the meaning of your own statements...

I think the guy's abilities as a guitarist are a pretty good base for speculation on the subject. You and Endrik seem anxious to dismiss those abilities as meaningless, for whatever reason. I think they are considerable evidence that he would be creative if given the opportunity. I grasp my statements just fine, but if I may turn the subject back, what is the basis for YOUR speculation that Chris Broderick, great guitarist that he is, would NOT be a creative force in his own right? If we are going to talk about baseless speculations, well besides the fact that he is working for other bands, what's your basis for YOUR speculation? I am at least saying he has the tools, which is undoubtedly true. Why do you think he's not capable of creative contributions? I'm curious.

[javert]

I think the guy's abilities as a guitarist are a pretty good base for speculation on the subject. You and Endrik seem anxious to dismiss those abilities as meaningless, for whatever reason. I think they are considerable evidence that he would be creative if given the opportunity. I grasp my statements just fine, but if I may turn the subject back, what is the basis for YOUR speculation that Chris Broderick, great guitarist that he is, would NOT be a creative force in his own right? If we are going to talk about baseless speculations, well besides the fact that he is working for other bands, what's your basis for YOUR speculation? I am at least saying he has the tools, which is undoubtedly true. Why do you think he's not capable of creative contributions? I'm curious.

Obviously, you don't. But enough nonsense, I'm done with this. You obviously lack the ability to understand even simple logic, and whenever you're confronted with whatever you've said, you go off again about something else. Regarding the nonsense you just wrote, the burden of proof is on you, since you are the one making the claims. And for the umpteenth time, I never claimed Broderick wasn't capable or had the potential. As for your request for evidence, it is known as "argument from ignorance" and is a logical fallacy. You are here using it in the following way (and I quote from wiki): " In debates, appeals to ignorance are sometimes used to shift the burden of proof." Go google it.