Resurrect Pontiac! Create jobs, help the economy. Who's with me?

[Grandturk]

Its not more jobs - its different jobs. It's false to thing "if you build it they will buy it."

[VoiceX3]

Its not more jobs - its different jobs. It's false to thing "if you build it they will buy it."

No, it's more jobs. The old plants closed and those jobs were dissolved, in other words, they no longer exist. This would be a NEW COMPANY, not GM.

Just like the plant in Deleware that used to build Pontiac Solstices begins production for the Fisker Karma all electric luxury sports sedan on March 21. New Company, New Jobs.

If you build it, they WILL buy it. C'mon, we're still in America.

[VoiceX3]

Just stumbled across the other version Trans Am Depot is doing while at the OCC twitter site.


Looks like OCC is gonna do a T/A theme bike.....wish it was JR doing it.

[Grandturk]

Your logic is off. If a person buys a new Pontiac insteAd of a Chevy, then there's folks at the chevy plant that will be out of work. The only way to creat jobs is to cut costs or increase revenue

[VoiceX3]

Your logic is off. If a person buys a new Pontiac insteAd of a Chevy, then there's folks at the chevy plant that will be out of work. The only way to creat jobs is to cut costs or increase revenue

In that instance, my logic may be off, but if a person buys a Pontiac instead of say a Toyota, Honda, BMW, Mercedes, Scion, Lexus, Volkswagen and/or any other foreign car it's keeping cash AND jobs in America. No mistaking that logic, and you'd think that after the unbelievable amount of Toyota safety recalls Americans would get it and stop buying them. Even some unbelievable recalls like the not so advertised Truck frame disintegration recall. My drummer just had his 2004 Tacoma with 234,000 miles taken back by Toyota and they gave him a $10,000 settlement because his frame was COMPLETELY rotted out to where the truck was going to break in half over the right bump. I didn't believe him at first but did some research and this is a huge ongoing issue.

http://www.tacoma-upgrade.com/2009/06/info-on-the-19955-through-2004-toyota-tacoma-frame-recall-for-rust.html

Interesting read there for sure.

[Grandturk]

Yes! Yes! Stop buying foreign cars so they close their US plants and go home!!!

[Grandturk]

This is a good one - I know the NY Times is a Lefty Commie Pinko rag - but:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/06/19/automobiles/20090619-auto-plants-4.html

I like these lists (I've bolded the "USA" cars):

Assembled in Canada
Acura MDX
Acura ZDX
Chevrolet Camaro
Chevrolet Equinox
Chevrolet Impala
Chrysler 300
Chrysler Town & Country
Dodge Challenger
Dodge Charger
Dodge Grand Caravan
Ford Edge
Ford Flex
GMC Terrain
Honda Civic sedan and coupe, Civic sedan and coupe Si
Lexus RX350
Lincoln MKT
Lincoln MKX
Toyota Corolla
Toyota Matrix
Toyota RAV4
Volkswagen Routan

Heche en Mexico
Cadillac Escalade EXT
Cadillac SRX
Chevrolet Avalanche
Chevrolet Aveo
Chevrolet HHR
Chevrolet Silverado and Silverado Hybrid
Dodge Journey
Fiat 500
Ford Fiesta
Ford Fusion and Fusion Hybrid
GMC Sierra, Sierra Hybrid and Sierra Crew Cab
Honda CR-V
Lincoln MKZ and MKZ Hybrid
Nissan Sentra
Nissan Versa
Ram 2500/3500/4500/5500
Toyota Tacoma
Saab 9-4X
Volkswagen Jetta/Jetta SportWagen

[Grandturk]

This is also a good article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/21/automobiles/21intro.html

I like this one:

Reporting the origin of the engine and transmission is also tricky. Take Honda’s engine plant in Anna, Ohio. Although the engine of the Acura RDX is made there, Japan is listed as the country of origin. That is because one expensive part, the turbocharger, is imported from Japan (and installed by Ohio workers).

[VoiceX3]

This stuff is common knowledge, and is quite understood. I could argue with you forever about why Pontiac should be allowed to return, but the most important reason is this. They will be designed, manufactured and sold in and from the USA. All American, like it used to be. I grew up not even 1/2 mile from the GM then GM/Delco plant in Ewing New Jersey. That plant made parts. From electrics to clips to just about anything.....that's how new Pontiac would do it.

[Grandturk]

They will be designed, manufactured and sold in and from the USA. All American, like it used to be.

This is all well and good - and will result in a Pontiac being sold instead (maybe) of some other car - it's give and take. Sales go up for one brand and down for another - someone gets a job, someone else loses a job.

[Nightbat]

but the most important reason is this. They will be designed, manufactured and sold in and from the USA. All American, like it used to be.

Exactly the reason why people started buying foreign cars

[tooslowhand]

I wonder if it would be in GM's interest to allow a new company to use the names and trademarks associated with Pontiac. I am assuming there is some reason they decided to put the kibosh on a sale in favor of a phase out, such as brand overlap and it's possible that a new company called "Pontiac" might cause a similar problem for them.

Would GM be required to allow this new company to use its names and trademarks, and if so, would it be in their interests? And if not, would a new "Pontiac" brand matter if it weren't allowed to sell "Firebirds" or "GTOs"?

[VoiceX3]

Exactly the reason why people started buying foreign cars

That's not true. References?

I wonder if it would be in GM's interest to allow a new company to use the names and trademarks associated with Pontiac. I am assuming there is some reason they decided to put the kibosh on a sale in favor of a phase out, such as brand overlap and it's possible that a new company called "Pontiac" might cause a similar problem for them.

Would GM be required to allow this new company to use its names and trademarks, and if so, would it be in their interests? And if not, would a new "Pontiac" brand matter if it weren't allowed to sell "Firebirds" or "GTOs"?

It is not "New GM's" call. Pontiac and all it's nameplates are property of "Old GM" which is property of the US taxpayers. It's ALL outlined at http://www.savingpontiac.org/

[Grandturk]

That's not true. References?

[Flatpicker]

While I understand the sentiment for the old Pontiac vehicles, the thought of resurrecting the company and having it as another line wouldn't work IMO.
The auto industry is a zero sum game and any gains that Pontiac would make would be pulled from another companies pocket. Seeing as how Honda, Toyota and Hyundai all have US plants it would be providing for some workers at the expense of others.

Now, I'm not saying I wouldn't like to see some of the designs and brand names brought back. Lawd knows how those Azteks were the schniznit...


Actually, I'd love if GM or whoever would put a company together to continue the "good" cars from the old lineups.
Pontiac TA/Fiero/Grand National - Give them some updates but keep some traditional styling queues.
Saturn Sky/SC series - Make them the entry level and convertible of the lineup.

etc etc...