Heads up .mil/.gov...possible we're not getting paid

[Twitch]

I wasn't quoting you.

There's no guarantee of a salary in an enlistment contract so how is it a void contract?

Thats why I said 'If it is indeed a breech of your contract', I dont know your contract. Most contracts have an agreement of pay. I know you werent quoting me. I was using the quotation marks to separate the "A" and "WOL".

I just think its totally asinine that the US military could expect you to go without pay for ANY length of time outside of a mistake on your part. It burns my biscuits and Im not a service man. Im the kind of guy that hates getting pushed around and hates seeing others get pushed around in such a manner. Im not a passive individual, when I get pushed around I find ways to push back. There should be some recourse here that can be taken. Im not saying revolt or anything like that, but in ANY other job the typical US citizen would have, if the worker were told 'Were not going to pay you until we work out a budget' in the middle of your career, the worker would walk and find a place that will pay.
I know serving our country is our patriotic duty and an honor, but feeling good that youve done your part doesnt pay the bills. Contractual or not, when you enlisted, you were told you would be paid. Theres absolutely NO reason that pay roll should be held until a "budget" is decided upon. Its just asinine.

Its like the age old idea of the worker getting paid so little that said worker cant afford to buy the product said worker gets paid to sell. How can you expect someone to stand up for their country and possibly die for it and not have the ability to full enjoy the freedoms for which they stand up for? They dont leave you time to pick up the monetary slack in another establishment, they just expect you to bend over and twittle your thumbs while you wait on a pay check. It just seems so wrong to me.

Youre defending my freedom as well and I believe you deserve more than just the mental satisfaction for doing so.

[tonemonster]

a very wise old man once told me. "you can answer nearly every question in this world with one answer: Greed." and boy is he right. the politicians in this country are lining their pockets daily and running our economy into the ground. but who is truly at fault? them for doing it, or us as citizens for allowing it to happen and not holding them accountable?

[SixstringKing]

Our Gov"t isnt THAT bad yet. Hopefully it never will be. I wouldnt worry about your comment anyhow, youre Canadian, your opinion could be said to be of no importance.

I may be wrong , but I think hellbat may be referring to crossing the border to visit your fine country. We Canadjans could turn around and say that your comment is typical American, thinking that the only opinion that matters is their own. But we won't

[Endrik]

I wouldnt worry about your comment anyhow, youre Canadian, your opinion could be said to be of no importance.

But for example in Barcelona when an American says he's a Canadian, the customer service pays a lot more attention

[lerxstcat]

The conundrum is that we DO have to raise the debt ceiling to pay the troops, period. So if you're saying don't raise the debt ceiling, in effect you are saying don't pay our troops. Think about that for a moment.

[Trem]

The conundrum is that we DO have to raise the debt ceiling to pay the troops, period. So if you're saying don't raise the debt ceiling, in effect you are saying don't pay our troops. Think about that for a moment.

:think:

Try harder.
First off, well hopefully something like that would never happen.
Second i'd wonder where these statements are really emanating from.
Sounds very much like a "but think of the children" type of ploy. Fact of the matter is they probably will raise it anyway, even though there are tucked away BILLIONS in the health care bill for use for whatever they want at a later date...and i'm sure how many other bills and programs that have tucked away money that is not being used either.
So i say NO we do not HAVE to raise the debt ceiling and we shouldn't.
The fault would not be on mine nor your shoulder..well unless you voted for the assclowns in power. It's not that we would not want our troops to get payed,..unless you a douche bag that hates the military. It's the fact that it doesn't Have to happen, even If they don't raise the debt ceiling. Think harder.

[tonemonster]

The conundrum is that we DO have to raise the debt ceiling to pay the troops, period. So if you're saying don't raise the debt ceiling, in effect you are saying don't pay our troops. Think about that for a moment.

the real root of the problem is poor financial management by the gubberment. they piss money away on completely stupid things, and then when it comes to something important like paying the troops, they aint got any money. nobody is held accountable it seems. they all just do whatever the hell they want, and nobody stops them. they need to learn how to MANAGE funds, and spend the money wisely. this of course is near impossible because most politicians are complete idiots and cant organize a one car parade. anyone who is smart enough wont run for office because they can better apply themselves somewhere else.

[Trem]

A simple analogy.
You've bought a new car this year, now your finding you've spent too much from not managing your finances and you can't afford to drive the car let alone pay for insurance or your rent or eat.
Do you
A. Start blasting your credit card and figure you'll pay it off later...
B. Sell the car and buy a cheaper car or walk, ride a bike or take the bus if you have too...
C. Not do it in the first place

One is the best option.
One is the damn i fucked up option.
One is the i'm a fuck up option.

Which one does the government always seem to choose...

That's my thoughts on it anyway.
I have 2 family members in the military, one has been in for 20 years and will probably be a lifer, has 3 kids and has been to Afghanistan and Iraq a few times now.
No matter what i hope our troops get payed, And i hope they don't raise the debt ceiling. Imo both could be achieved, but considering the governments A. option thinking, i doubt it.
All it will do is put off the inevitable to a later date when it will then be worse.

[Twitch]

I may be wrong , but I think hellbat may be referring to crossing the border to visit your fine country. We Canadjans could turn around and say that your comment is typical American, thinking that the only opinion that matters is their own. But we won't

Oh, I was just being silly. I have no problem with our brothers to the north. Hence the

[lerxstcat]

A simple analogy.
You've bought a new car this year, now your finding you've spent too much from not managing your finances and you can't afford to drive the car let alone pay for insurance or your rent or eat.
Do you
A. Start blasting your credit card and figure you'll pay it off later...
B. Sell the car and buy a cheaper car or walk, ride a bike or take the bus if you have too...
C. Not do it in the first place

One is the best option.
One is the damn i fucked up option.
One is the i'm a fuck up option.

Which one does the government always seem to choose...

That's my thoughts on it anyway.
I have 2 family members in the military, one has been in for 20 years and will probably be a lifer, has 3 kids and has been to Afghanistan and Iraq a few times now.
No matter what i hope our troops get payed, And i hope they don't raise the debt ceiling. Imo both could be achieved, but considering the governments A. option thinking, i doubt it.
All it will do is put off the inevitable to a later date when it will then be worse.

The problem is that nowhere in the government does "the buck stop here", pun unavoidable. I find it perfectly conceivable that the GOP would hold up the troops' pay, for at least a time, just to make a political point. They aren't the military dependents facing landlords who want their rent payments. Blame the Democrats for political capital and let the troops suffer. Combined with the fact that we've just started a THIRD war, it's obscene.

I agree that the money could be found without raising the debt ceiling, theoretically. But the GOP Congressmen and Senators saying this aren't apt to give up any of THEIR pork to make it happen, because they are buying off local constituents with that money. So for practical purposes, raising the debt ceiling is going to be quicker and more practical than going back through and trying to cut pork with all the backdoor deals that intertwine to make up the spending morass.

I debated this with someone last night who said "No worries, they'll get paid. They always do". That may be true, but the very fact that the Army Times is telling personnel they might not get paid is a mental trauma that our service personnel should not have to go through on a regular basis just due to political infighting. It'd serve Congress right if the troops marched on Washington and didn't let them out of the building until they passed the funding. Nobody leaves, no food comes in. Inspiration.

[Trem]

The problem is that nowhere in the government does "the buck stop here", pun unavoidable. I find it perfectly conceivable that the GOP would hold up the troops' pay, for at least a time, just to make a political point. They aren't the military dependents facing landlords who want their rent payments. Blame the Democrats for political capital and let the troops suffer. Combined with the fact that we've just started a THIRD war, it's obscene.

I agree that the money could be found without raising the debt ceiling, theoretically. But the GOP Congressmen and Senators saying this aren't apt to give up any of THEIR pork to make it happen, because they are buying off local constituents with that money. So for practical purposes, raising the debt ceiling is going to be quicker and more practical than going back through and trying to cut pork with all the backdoor deals that intertwine to make up the spending morass.

I debated this with someone last night who said "No worries, they'll get paid. They always do". That may be true, but the very fact that the Army Times is telling personnel they might not get paid is a mental trauma that our service personnel should not have to go through on a regular basis just due to political infighting. It'd serve Congress right if the troops marched on Washington and didn't let them out of the building until they passed the funding. Nobody leaves, no food comes in. Inspiration.

I'm sorry i still don't see that logic, in fact it's seriously flawed..
Inspiration from what? Greece?
First off the troops will probably most likely get payed( one would seriously hope), and they should...without borrowing another dime.
But essentially you are saying as in the case of Greece the people should rise up and revolt against their government for not spending more money which would in FACT cause the nation to crumble and achieve absolutely nothing. Like a child throwing a tantrum about not getting a toy when the parent is already on food stamps, what should the parent do rob the store to sate the child and then get thrown in jail? How does that help?
It is backwards thinking from the beginning.

Second, No amount of "funding" handed over from either side or both sides at the same time is going to make any iota of a difference.
I'm apt to say that i think the GOP should tell the Democrats dump Obama Care otherwise, fuck off. Seems to me Harry Reid could give a shit about the troops as long as the Cowboy Poetry Society Festival still gets it's funding.
Yes the media will spin it to totally blame the GOP.. as usual, however if it's not done the outcome is eventually terminal anyway not far down the road. It's not hyperbole, i think some people just are numb to the numbers anymore. The Democrats are obviously unaccountable and it should be their downfall yet somehow there will still be a portion of the public that will still route for them. So as the Democrats spurn every attempt at budget cuts and still yet want more money to run the country into the ground, the GOP should tell them to stuff it and shut it down period. Cut the cord. Plenty of people aren't getting payed TODAY already as is, more to follow if they keep spending.
It's not going to magically change by continuing to do the same thing. That's what is called insanity.

[DRM]

Unless you're a .gov or .mil and this applies to you, quit spamming the thread with political rhetoric.

Take it to the political section.

[Shawn Lutz]

so if your not getting paid to work that's ok? I think not, I think that is slavery....whether military or government.

[bombtek]

Like was said earlier in the thread by DRM, there is no guarantee of wages when you volunteer. If it is that huge of a concern for those involved, (myself included) then the contract should have been read through and fully understood prior to signing it. No one forced those involved to join up or accept a government position. If/when this comes about, times will be hard for some and I empathize with them, but contracts should have been read and understood before signing.

[toejam]

First off the troops will probably most likely get payed

You mean paid, right?