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[TKEblue]

But if you don't sell the value of your gold increases.

Here's the flaw in the logic that the rising gold stock is a sham : they trick you into selling so they can buy it up then what? Make it go up again? If they buy it all up and don't sell it what did they accomplish? After all they're the ones causing the economy to suck so why would they prepair for a crash that they could just not cause?

My thinking is the rising price is because people are already scared and buying it up.

Imo its like the georgia guidestones conspiracy thing where some people believe this is actually the governments plan. The rich people would basicall commit mass genocide on everyone that wasn't one of them. But why? Who's gonna make the gas to put in their benz then? Who's gonna farm the wheat, raise the cattle, who's gonna make this stuff actual food for them if their the only ones left? Lol

I believe a lot of things are conspiracy or just flat out propaganda but that goes both ways, fox news feeds you bs lies and then the sites that prove theyre lying are coming up with an off the wall absolute crazy theory on why their lying.


(My bad grammar is driving me nuts but it's a real pain to go back and fix it on my phone. Have to delete everything up to it and then re-type it.)

[Trem]

Imo its like the georgia guidestones conspiracy thing where some people believe this is actually the governments plan. The rich people would basicall commit mass genocide on everyone that wasn't one of them. But why? Who's gonna make the gas to put in their benz then? Who's gonna farm the wheat, raise the cattle, who's gonna make this stuff actual food for them if their the only ones left? Lol

I believe a lot of things are conspiracy or just flat out propaganda but that goes both ways, fox news feeds you bs lies and then the sites that prove theyre lying are coming up with an off the wall absolute crazy theory on why their lying.

I've written all that shit below, likely to be unread by most. However maybe this will have the most impact and get anyone oblivious to it on the path of discovery. So i'll just post this right at the top.
In addition what i have written below in the matter of objectivity, it should always be considered, as well as the duty to investigate and discover and uncover all possibilities, truths and untruths.
Nevertheless Watch This. Quotes from before your parents were born..to today. OK?

I do entertain that "conspiracy" stuff actually. To me it is thick enough to hold structure. Once you look into it and peel back your eyes it either becomes at least somewhat curious to some and others will refuse to believe it pretty much no matter what.

I don't know how many of you are the type of people that always just kind of "had a feeling" that things weren't really as they seem. Not something tangible, just that feeling you get when you begin to think somethings not right. I can remember far back to my early teens feeling that way. Now that may seem like it makes me "ripe" to entertain such "conspiracy" type theories. But how many of you have not followed your gut and wished you had.

I try to entertain that it may Not be this or that way either. But honestly so many things seem clearly legible that is shown over the last few decades, to me it almost seems foolish to not at very least entertain some of it, but to actually look into it and study it a bit.

I'm ever trying to remain objective in writing this to leave open for discovery of future truths or untruths or opinions contrary and as to keep it potent rather than how i sometimes/or often feel... 'as in' [Rant] "it's so true", i just have to admit that.

I suggest anyone,... even if you do end up coming away thinking aww those "conspiracy nuts" I would suggest you do in fact look at what Alex Jones/Infowars have been talking about for a long time, as well as the last 30 years of what Ron Paul has been saying, and is saying today.

No matter what you see on tv or the fighting between our political parties ( which i think is a crock, they look out for their own ), unless they are talking about the real and only issues that i think matter - Outing and Destroying the Federal Reserve - Returning to the principal Constitution ideals of the United States, abolishing Unconstitutional Laws and practices, bringing down the "Central Banks" then everything else is secondary and meaningless.

All that said, i am still studying..almost daily as of late. There are a lot of things that you hear a lot that you might take for granted, a little digging and you find it not so or maybe misquoted, so with that it takes diligence and also finding out that something you maybe accepted is not exactly as it seems. In both the accepted reality and the conspiratorial.

One of those would be this Thomas Jefferson "quote"

I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.

It has never actually been proven that Thomas Jefferson said these exact words, and may even be of much more recent origin. However they do seem to ring true today non the less...

Though it may be a paraphrase of a statement Jefferson made in a letter to John Taylor in 1816. He wrote, "And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale."


And in correlation with the general the subject of truth or untruth, and the premise that at any time and all the time we are not fed it entirely. I found this worthy of pondering.

An excerpt from "A Bill for the More General Diffusion of Knowledge." Thomas Jefferson

Whereas it appeareth that however certain forms of government are better calculated than others to protect individuals in the free exercise of their natural rights, and are at the same time themselves better guarded against degeneracy, yet experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms, those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny; and it is believed that the most effectual means of preventing this would be, to illuminate, as far as practicable, the minds of the people at large, and more especially to give them knowledge of those facts, which history exhibiteth, that, possessed thereby of the experience of other ages and countries, they may be enabled to know ambition under all its shapes, and prompt to exert their natural powers to defeat its purposes; And whereas it is generally true that that people will be happiest whose laws are best, and are best administered, and that laws will be wisely formed, and honestly administered, in proportion as those who form and administer them are wise and honest;"

Do we have this?

[Trem]

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[Trem]

The illuminatti was fucking with my internet and it double posted,

[Rsmacker]

Anyone getting any deals on cheap meat?

[tonemonster]

I dont jump quickly. I am not rushing out to buy gold and get rid of all my stocks. I dont "play" the market anyway. I only invest into retirement funds and spread the money over a wide array of mutual funds. I have 20+ years to go, so I am not sweating it now. In about 10 years is when I will start to shift money to protect it. I will never be rich anyway, just want to put away something to try to live on when I get old.

[Jayster]

Trem,

Great post.


The simple fact is that by nature man is greedy and only believes in benifitting themselves, this is why socialism does not work. Everyone who was so blindsided by the empty promises of the current administration should be able to clearly see this now, show me a poor politician......

The roosters been guarding the hen house for a long time

[Shawn Lutz]

The US doesn't really make anything anymore and that is the problem, what we do make can be made cheaper and better elsewhere. What we do make is lazy people with a sense of entitlement. We once were a great powerful nation. Now were broke bitches getting beat in the game we created. We need some radical change in ths country or we're done, we're a 3rd world right now. Our political leaders in the midst or this bullshit are not doing anything except fundraising and worried about re-election, not problem solving. We have Osama...ah.Obama pulling the classic inherited the problem bullshit and Republicans point blame at the Democrats without offering any kind of solutions...classic finger pointing, classic re-election campaigns and no one working on doing jack shit about it....fuck it, I'm moving to Sweden lol

[DonP]

The US doesn't really make anything anymore and that is the problem, what we do make can be made cheaper and better elsewhere. What we do make is lazy people with a sense of entitlement. We once were a great powerful nation. Now were broke bitches getting beat in the game we created. We need some radical change in ths country or we're done, we're a 3rd world right now. Our political leaders in the midst or this bullshit are not doing anything except fundraising and worried about re-election, not problem solving. We have Osama...ah.Obama pulling the classic inherited the problem bullshit and Republicans point blame at the Democrats without offering any kind of solutions...classic finger pointing, classic re-election campaigns and no one working on doing jack shit about it....fuck it, I'm moving to Sweden lol

Game over man, Game Over!

[rjohnstone]

The "market" is nothing more than legalized gambling on a global scale. It's also heavily rigged. If you know this going into it, you can stay away from the shit that will really burn you.
I tuck a good portion of my "winnings" away into safe(er) storage (read IRA's, Bonds, etc.) and let the principle ride.

The trick is knowing when to move to a different table or spread your bets across multiple tables (commodities, stocks or bonds) or when to simply cash out.
I'm no market whiz by any stretch of the imagination, but I've managed to keep my losses low and the bulk of my investments either on the plus side or flat.
I love that I have the option to self direct my 401k funds.
I do have an adviser who I trust to help me with the real complicated investments, but he's mainly my sanity check before I make adjustments. He also knows I'm not an emotional investor.
Screw the media hype.... show me the numbers.
My money is not at the mercy of some fund manager who only cares about his commission.

My 401k survived largely intact after the last big drop, it will survive this one.
I'm sure it will take some bumps and bruises in the short term.

[Endrik]

better to get some real gold and hide it somewhere


Tommy, you still got that Nikolai II gold 5 ruble coin that I gave you, now that's the kind of stuff worth keeping in the treasure chest

[TKEblue]

I would consider myself a fairly awake person, I listen to alex jones, I listen to terral, but I think both do get carried away at times. I know that dumping a body into the ocean is not a muslim ritual, I know that seal team 6 is the ones who were tragicly shot down last week, the ones who "killed" bin laden but were thinking about talking. I also know that the former prime minister of india was assasinated only 2 weeks after saying in an interview that bin laden was already dead. I know that its possible that elenin could actually be a dwarf star and not a comet and could potentially kill us all. I know that fema has been building underground bunkers for years and has dozens of large camps set up across the country as if prepairing for something. I know just how corrupt things are and just how little of the truth, if any, mainstream media will tell you.


Hey trem you should check out the movie "inside job" directed by charles ferguson. Its about the 2008 "economic crisis". Pretty informative movie.

[atomic charvel guy]

[QUOTE=rjohnstone;1447986]The "market" is nothing more than legalized gambling on a global scale. It's also heavily rigged. If you know this going into it, you can stay away from the shit that will really burn you.
I tuck a good portion of my "winnings" away into safe(er) storage (read IRA's, Bonds, etc.) and let the principle ride.

The trick is knowing when to move to a different table or spread your bets across multiple tables (commodities, stocks or bonds) or when to simply cash out.
I'm no market whiz by any stretch of the imagination, but I've managed to keep my losses low and the bulk of my investments either on the plus side or flat.
I love that I have the option to self direct my 401k funds.
I do have an adviser who I trust to help me with the real complicated investments, but he's mainly my sanity check before I make adjustments. He also knows I'm not an emotional investor.
Screw the media hype.... show me the numbers.
My money is not at the mercy of some fund manager who only cares about his commission.




it's worse than legalized gambling, not only do they make up the rules as they go, they find new loopholes, and they hire the sharpest and most talented college kids to come up with more ways to steal money everyday.

Check this out, you guys are gonna crack up, in 5th grade, I was Erin Callan's (former CFO of Lehman Brothers) first crush. I should have stuck around, even though
she got fired and made out to be the scapegoat, she has millions upon millions of bucks. Our families were close growing up. We had our kisses early on when we were 11,
i fuckin' should of stuck around, god damnit!!!!!-lol Actually, she was so smart, it didn't surprise me at all that she made it that far, she was going places from day 1. Sharp as a fuckin' tack she was, is, etc.

[Rsmacker]

better to get some real gold and hide it somewhere


Tommy, you still got that Nikolai II gold 5 ruble coin that I gave you, now that's the kind of stuff worth keeping in the treasure chest

Did he, um, have to, y'know, "earn it"?

I'm surprised you aren't out scouring the country where you are. It's my firm belief that in your part of the world, there is a shitload of war loot still waiting to be found, not to mention the Amber Room.

[Endrik]

Did he, um, have to, y'know, "earn it"?

I'm surprised you aren't out scouring the country where you are. It's my firm belief that in your part of the world, there is a shitload of war loot still waiting to be found, not to mention the Amber Room.

Nah, no sweat for me, plenty of those in the family. But those things cost 5 times more than 15 years ago.

I don't believe that there's much treasure around here (at least not anymore), the majority consisted of dumb proletariat for too long who couldn't tell a difference between a Delacroix masterpiece and a watercolour painting from 6th grade student. I bet everything that's worth something is in the safes of wealthy Baltic Germans, wherever they might live now, or in the bedrooms of old wealthy Russian families from Sankt Peterburg who probably live in Paris or South-East France.
Some of my ancestors worked in Peterburg area when it was in full glory, in fact Emperor Nikolai II personally gave my grand-grand-grand-grand father a very nice pocket watch (which we still have) for a good work in factory.... and even though his wife worked in some nice Chateaus as a cook, there were no chances for them to get gather some treasure together, they were just middle class workers from Estonia, they weren't among the aristocrats nor the proletariat. Their son who came back Estonia was taken into red army during the WWII, now he had the eye to gather something nice together, he was the coolest dude out of all my relatives, a real city gent, but he was bombed dead by the Germans when he was on a cruiser in The Baltic Sea.