Not virtuosi but lazy, dishonest and unoriginal masturbators.

[MartinBarre]

It's 2011 and what we still hear from soloists - the same stupid shit.

Some musician or his/her fans claiming to break musical boundaries or just be technically outstanding - sounds familiar?

No.

You have tons of choices, many intervals to choose from, yet you mostly go C D E F G A B C D E F G A B C or on drums Right Left Right Left Right Left Right Left.
This is suppose to be the top of your creative thought? Breaking boundaries?

:dunno:

Show me any so called top notch player today... 9 out 10 (at least) it is someone who does this kindergarden shit.

:think:

If everyone in the human history would have been so uncreative music wouldn't have developed further from unintelligible yelling in a cave.

What the hell is wrong with so called "top notch musicians"?

Is that a hypothetical question?

[MartinBarre]

And another thing... I don't bother ranting about this anymore although it burns my ass so GOOD THREAD Endrik.
I knew I was fighting a losing battle when I had to argue with a few people in regards to who is a better guitar player...
John Mayer or Jeff Beck. .

From what I gathered Endrik thinks people like Jeff Beck are playing the same old shit.

[Endrik]

i am just curious if you are a jazz guitarist or not, that's all. i am also curious if you are a music major. is there anything wrong with inquring about what kind of music someone plays? yes, it is about how you make it, but knowing somebody's background also helps understand a person's perspective.

No, I'm not a "jazz guitarist", blues-rock background, completely self taught, but I'm definitely influenced by jazz and many other things which I try to incorporate in to my playing. I play with schooled jazz musicians all the time but I wouldn't do a whole gig of bebop standards, I lack the vocabulary and skill to pull that off in a convincing way.

[Endrik]

And another thing... I don't bother ranting about this anymore although it burns my ass so GOOD THREAD Endrik.
I knew I was fighting a losing battle when I had to argue with a few people in regards to who is a better guitar player...
John Mayer or Jeff Beck. Arguements like that make my head explode.
I do think there is a recent guitar player that really stand out. Guthrie Govan
His tone is a little Eric Johnson but his playing is extremely refreshing.
Regarding recordss.... although its not that recent, I think Opeth's Damnation was extremely unique. Sounds to me like what Pink Floyd would sound like today if they kept writing and evolving. It actually give me a little hope for the music industry.

Guthrie definitely has some pretty interesting "non-standard" runs.
I wouldn't miss John Mayer concert though, his playing isn't anything special but he has amazing rhythm section, Pino Palladino and Stanley Jordan groove like crazy.

From what I gathered Endrik thinks people like Jeff Beck are playing the same old shit.

And where did you gathered something like that, out of your arse perhapse? Fascinating example, as Jeff Beck is definitely one of the guys who rarely plays ascending scale runs not to mention he experiments more than 99,9% musicians out there.

[bombtek]

you guys thought I was refering to Jeff Beck when I mentioned that name, but the artist I was talking about is that cat known simply as "Beck". Never understood his music nor could I get into it at all. Some called him a musical genius, I just plain didn't like it.

[bombtek]

Now a band that never seemed to follow the "norm" that I DID like to listen to was Primus. I don't know why I liked them when I heard them, but a lot of their grooves caught me.

[atomic charvel guy]

do not blaspheme please when mentioning jeff Beck with that charlatan Beck please, it really frosts my nuts.

[jgcable]

From what I gathered Endrik thinks people like Jeff Beck are playing the same old shit.

I didn't get that from his post. Here is what I think in regards to guitar playing. I think that almost everything that could be done on a guitar has already been done. I think the technology of the guitar would need to change in order to explore new sonic territories.
There have been ground breakers throughout the years but not as many as you would think...

Here are a few..


Les Paul He invented just about everything to do with an electric guitar
Jimmy Hendrix He was responsible for making the electric guitar HEAVY. Fuzz boxes and lots of distortion.
Eddy Van Halen He developed and made popular a completely new way to play the guitar

[MartinBarre]

I didn't get that from his post. Here is what I think in regards to guitar playing. I think that almost everything that could be done on a guitar has already been done. I think the technology of the guitar would need to change in order to explore new sonic territories.
There have been ground breakers throughout the years but not as many as you would think...

Here are a few..


Les Paul He invented just about everything to do with an electric guitar
Jimmy Hendrix He was responsible for making the electric guitar HEAVY. Fuzz boxes and lots of distortion.
Eddy Van Halen He developed and made popular a completely new way to play the guitar

Exactly! Or we could all post on forums ranting about how shit soloists are, while not posting our own playing to show how everyone SHOULD do it. We could also add an olde style letter "e" to certain words, as it might make us seem more knowledgable. Perhapse.

Music is written and played like this because it doesnt sound shit like this.
POST YOUR OWN PLAYING.

[toejam]

Virtuoso? I'm going to start a Rhythm G3... just three rhythm guitar players, playing three different rhythms at the same time. Suck on that!

[Endrik]

MB, You are free to start with replacing solos on the last Megadeth albums.

[jgcable]

Exactly! Or we could all post on forums ranting about how shit soloists are, while not posting our own playing to show how everyone SHOULD do it. We could also add an olde style letter "e" to certain words, as it might make us seem more knowledgable. Perhapse.

Music is written and played like this because it doesnt sound shit like this.
POST YOUR OWN PLAYING.

I always post my own playing. www.foolsfaith.com My newest album SINISTER F just came out and we have clips of it online.
There are also several videos on Youtube.

I think there are a ton of great players out there. There are even more that we will never hear. I will say that there is one player that continually blows me away in regards to tone, feel, and technical ability... Steve Vai. Its REALLY hard to hate the guy and believe me.. I have tried.
He probably can pull more sounds out of a standard full floating Ibanez guitar than anybody on the planet.

[MartinBarre]

MB, You are free to start with replacing solos on the last Megadeth albums.

If I could be arsed I could do something I would find better than Broderick, purely because I hate his solos. Holding a note for 30 seconds would be more entertaining, to me, than 30 seconds worth of sweep picking over a mid paced riff.

However, YOU are saying, well I'm not entirely sure WHAT the fuck you're saying, but it seems to be something along the lines of "no one should play anything that anyone else played before" and "everyone should play weird shit that doesnt entirely fit the backing music". So...please post some examples, as I really dont think anyone knows WTF you are on about. You have such a clear idea of what a virtuoso should do, so let's hear it.
I'm not having a go at your playing skills, I'm having a go because you make no sense.
You dont want to hear the things people have been doing forever?

Well, please show us exactly how we can break free of this.

You want to hear me play better than someone (Broderick) who plays in the usual way - anyone can do that.
I want you to put your money where your mouth is and post something you played that actually shows WTF you mean.

[Endrik]

but it seems to be something along the lines of "no one should play anything that anyone else played before" and "everyone should play weird shit that doesnt entirely fit the backing music".

No, you got it right with this one

well I'm not entirely sure WHAT the fuck you're saying

Read again or just shut your pie hole, you not understanding something is nothing unusual though.

You want to hear me play better than someone (Broderick) who plays in the usual way - anyone can do that.
I want you to put your money where your mouth is and post something you played that actually shows WTF you mean.

Nah, you brought up the usual internet proletariat shit up first, if there's anyone who starts posting something then it's you. Now go ahead or go get reading lessons.

[P I K A]

so play like this out of the box? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdBR-...eature=related