who we are - guitars, guns and Freedom

[skorb]

I had to chuckle good-naturedly at the recent post by watson503, expressing concern that the gun band stuff thread might include support for the recent onslaught of leftist bullying and lying about our inviolable gun rights.

I have been here long enough to know that when I clicked on that thread, I would see mostly strong support for our constitutional gun rights.

My first experience on an internet forum was on a Jane’s Addiction fan site for several years in the early 2000’s, it was a great experience and I love that band, and Dave Navarro's playing. But that board was 99% leftist – and you're looking at the 1%, LOL. I'm not the type to stay silent about things I disagree with, so I took a lot of shit on that board. I did make several friends, and went to a lot of shows with them, but they invariably were leftists and literally had no conception of our constitutional rights or why the Constitution exists in the first place, which is to protect us from out-of-control government. To protect us from the miserable existence under Tyranny.

I have always been intensely independent, and I hate people telling me what to do, especially when they are lying pricks who go out of their way to deceive us and steal from us, while we are forced to pay their government salaries and provide them with armed security.

So it is a comfort and a joy to come here and see that most heavy metal guitar players are true blue Americans, who love their freedom, their individuality, and their right to own guns, and are sharply defensive of those rights being infringed upon in any way. And the citizens of other countries who post here tend to think that way as well, which is a very welcome sight.

So it's just a cool confluence here, heavy-metal, freedom, gun ownership, and the God-given right to be left alone by the government lifer tyrants that now are running this fraying and degraded American society into the wall.

Good work guys, keep it up!

[ginsambo]

Why not rename the 'Non Jackson/Charvel Related Talk' 'New gun Talk'. Nothing against guns and I love the older miltary spec gun threads and stuff but I mean FFS. A gun is a gun. Talk about overdose

The only relief is looking forward to ColoradoMan putting up some photos of his newly acquired, antique family motor.

We need more threads on Trucks and Vans, an old, beat up, rusting in the woods F350 thread would be ten times more fascinating than painting my AR-15 pink..... or duck egg blue with salmon pink dots. FFS.

What about a thread on my new boob job. You know I fancied a pair of breasts so I got the op and had implants. God you older pre Jane's Addiction guys are getting set in your ways.

Don't you ever get the desire to wear ladies lingerie on a Saturday night or walk around Food Lion naked?

The thing is it is a system. All systems have the elite at the top, to whom you pay your taxes, in return they offer a mediocre of violent free life and stability. That is the way it always has been throughout history. If you want to fight the system you have to go tribal. If we returned to tribal ways, you'd have to be prepared to don your broadsword every other day to fight with the next tribe over resources and die at age 28 of septicimia. People can live equally in peace and harmony in Utopia but only in limited numbers with unlimited resources. We have gone past that, it is too late now, there are too many people. In the event of an uprising, one elitist system would quickly be replaced by the next, as we have seen with Iran, Egypt etc etc. all you can do is hope that, whilst you accept that 99% of the time politicians are on the fiddle, in it for their own ends, at least 1% of the time they have our best interests at heart.

Guns are like Mortgages, they were introduced to give people a sense of freedom. Mortgages were given to freed slaves. The idea was that instead of slaving away for nothing as a slave for the man, living on handouts from the master in shacks, they could now enjoy new freedoms and wages and then spend them all on shacks and food provided by the master. 'Free' or not the deal remained the same.

Guns are the same deal, they are a token gesture of 'Freedom'. None of you are really free, but then like I said, would you really want to be, given that you'd have to fight for it every day.

It is a very clever system we 've got. I recently did my tax return, now if I have gone out and bought a new truck last tax year, I would have paid no income tax. However, since I am not VAT (Value Added (Goods/Services) Tax) registered I would have had to have paid VAT on it. Guess what, the VAT would have been the same as what I paid as income tax. I can't go VAT registered because customers wouldn't pay the extra 20% and I'd loose out to the competition. So they have you by the nuts.

Just accept your place and tug your furlock to the nouveux riche, lest they brand you a nutter and lock you away and you loose the only tokens of freedom that remain..

You are born a slave and you'll die one too.

My pet hate is listening to fighters of freedoms, who never pay any taxes and who drive trucks they owe down payments on on state asphalt roads to the local grocery store, whose logistics lorries run on imported gasoline carting about imported food goods for them to buy with their tax free earnings. You know the kind of guys who own trucks the Lizard Lick Towing company have to repo. There are alot of them about. Over here in the UK, they get a free house, child allowances and unemployment benefits and free healthcare despite having not even been born here or paid any UK taxes, but they don't shoot at you thank fuck.. If you work full time, no matter what the wage scale, you should get you dues. Top jobs are way overpriced these days, with executive awarding themselves massive pay rises whilst the poor take a cut and are taxed even more. Hard times fall on everyone but if you have no intention of ever paying in, you shouldn't get anything out.

Every one moans about the bankers, but people wanting a money for nothing pension and investments funded their corrupted ways. Greed is ridden throughout society, it runs on greed.

When I hear the rallying call against the ban for guns....'You can't take our guns and our freedoms' their banners read.....I just laugh to myself and what 'freedoms' might those be?

Guns are just here as a distraction, so we can kill and maim each other, ban them or not you'll never get to use them against the untouchables and make them count for something and the regime will remain the same with the richest paying no tax and the poorest paying the most.

Unless you have ancient Celtic, long lost branch of the 13th illumanti blood in your veins, like I do, in which case you stand a 5% chance of finally overthrowing the ruling reptilian half breeds...and the evil German Monarchy


Life is a completely random waste of space. Just enjoy it to the fullest while you can. It'll never be perfect.

[VitaminG]

I have always been intensely independent, and I hate people telling me what to do, especially when they are lying pricks who go out of their way to deceive us and steal from us, while we are forced to pay their government salaries and provide them with armed security.

hey, do you remember the Port Arthur massacre over here in Australia? Do you remember the subsequent buyback of automatic rifles? Do you remember the NRA telling American gun owners after the buyback that gun-related murders had immediately risen here and we were all now cowering in our homes, wishing we had stood up and stopped the tyrannical government from taking our independence away? Fortunately for me and mine, we're not fortifying ourselves in our homes. Gun crimes didn't skyrocket. Fact is, even before the buyback, no one was walking around here with guns out anyway.

The NRA lied to you to promote their own agenda in your country, and they relied on the patriotic gun owner to not question them about the source of their information or its validity. Pretty safe bet because if you already agree with them, why would you question anything they say if it already supports your own position?

So it is a comfort and a joy to come here and see that most heavy metal guitar players are true blue Americans, who love their freedom, their individuality, and their right to own guns, and are sharply defensive of those rights being infringed upon in any way. And the citizens of other countries who post here tend to think that way as well, which is a very welcome sight.

So it's just a cool confluence here, heavy-metal, freedom, gun ownership, and the God-given right to be left alone by the government lifer tyrants that now are running this fraying and degraded American society into the wall.

I would suggest the distinct possibility that in the interest of maintaining harmony here on the JCF that most dissenters have refrained from posting in the gun threads. I have no interest in guns and so haven't checked in on any of the gun threads.

I do love my freedom (if I actually have any, after ginsambo's post ) and my individuality. I also believe in letting other people live their own lives and enjoying what they love, providing it doesn't hurt other people. However, my lack of participation in any of the threads should only be taken to indicate my lack of interest in guns, not to imply support for whatever flag-waving guns-n-seatbelts freedom rally is taking place there. There are too many people on this forum that I like and respect to piss off and alienate because some of you love your guns and I have no interest in them.

You may or may not have noticed that I also don't join in Metallica threads & also haven't participated too much in RSmacker's sexual misadventure threads due to my lack of interest in buggering little old ladies while their husbands watch on.

But apart from all that, have you noticed the complete dropoff in all other activity in this section of the forum? On my single page view of the Non-J/C section - guns, birthdays, Snoogans talking about a gun for fighting Aliens, NHL lockout news, what would you buy for a grand?, an old car, and a wife onstage with Testament. Out of 20 discussions on view, 5 are birthday well-wishes, 9 are about guns. Oh, and one was mine suggesting we renaming the section to "Guns & Birthday Greetings"

[Cygnus X1]

Who makes their own beer?

I'm up for that.

[DonP]

All I will say is that our government has proven with Katrina and other disasters that you are on your own when all hell breaks loose. I'd rather be prepared if gun toting hoodlems come to my home looking for easy victims.

[straycat]

I'm not going to argue about it but I would rather be able to defend myself.
Its just threads about things others do that are non guitar related.No harm in that.

[Cygnus X1]

I miss my old guns, the ones I grew up with.
Left behind when I moved to the big city and never bothered building up that little collection again.
Still enjoy shooting once in a while to keep fresh though.

[skorb]

I certainly was not slagging on any members here who aren't interested in guns or actively avoid them or who have alternate ideas about what's what and why (or brits who accept their socialistic govt's approach with a certain fatalism so they can claim everyone's a "slave" - speak for yrself bro ).

My disdain was entirely directed at current US govt officials who go out of their way to try to disarm Americans by lying to them and using false strawman scenarios and burying evidence that eviscerates those lies.

a careful re-read of my post will reveal that to those who are emotionally invested in this subject.

I do agree about the Bday posts, but you don't see me ripping those.

[lepard]

So it is a comfort and a joy to come here and see that most heavy metal guitar players are true blue Americans, who love their freedom, their individuality, and their right to own guns, and are sharply defensive of those rights being infringed upon in any way. And the citizens of other countries who post here tend to think that way as well, which is a very welcome sight.

So it's just a cool confluence here, heavy-metal, freedom, gun ownership, and the God-given right to be left alone by the government lifer tyrants that now are running this fraying and degraded American society into the wall.

Good work guys, keep it up!

HA ! Don't go to the Dean Forum, just the opposite. The place is run by liberal turds. There are a couple cool guys from the Arizona area that are gun enthusiasts but other than them, that place is liberal douche central.

[skorb]

I'm considering why it is that we J/C guys seems to mostly favor guns and actively being able to defend one's self. obviously not all of us, each to their own.

is it the aggressive music we are predisposed to love? is it the iconoclastic approach of people who have had to for many years defend their music taste regularly to others who might ridicule it?

just an interesting confluence, as I noted.

[Cygnus X1]

Most musicians are liberals.
Some consider shredders to be "not musicians".
So shredders are not liberals?

J/K by the way.
It's a little something to think about.
I lean conservative/public rights over government intervention from way back.
Political parties are generally just different approaches at getting more power for themselves.
I at least support those that voice my opinion, but that's getting rare!

[QuantumRider]

I've noticed that the members of this forum tend to be conservative.

My theory is that Jackson guitars were known to be the "Professional's Choice" during the 80's, and were probably out of reach price wise for kids in high school who wanted the axes that their heroes were playing.

Fast forward 30 years (has it been that long?), and those of us who did well for ourselves financially now have enough disposable income to buy the guitars that we drooled over as teenagers. I wouldn't say that loving metal/shredding leads to becoming conservative but rather that the members of this forum, at least those who are in their late 30's through late 40's, are those who have attained a certain degree of financial security. Generally, people who clawed their own way upward (myself included) look down on liberal policies, e.g. government handouts to people who don't work but feel entitled to welfare. I think that this is the reason that the American members of this forum are those who love the rights guaranteed them by the Constitution.

I really like this quote, attributed to Winston Churchill:

"If at 20 you're not a liberal, you've got no heart. If at 40 you're not a conservative, you've got no brains".

[straycat]

I went thru my Hippie stage in the early 60's and finally saw thru all the liberal crap trap and got away from those clowns.
I chose to be an individual and not run with the crowd or flavor of the day.
The retro Hippie wannabes or hipsters as they are called these days I get a real kick out of.
College kids that try to be intellectual are another batch I love to have fun with.
Get in a big esoteric discussion about life and they try to play psych games with you. I tell them you guys are too easy to shoot down but please keep trying I'm enjoying this.

[RR2772]

Since I am Danish I can't give any value to this thread but it seems like some think like the song I would recommend:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvWoDQXTG6c

Is US really that cynical to day?

[atomic charvel guy]

Fuck politics and religion. Two things that grossly need to be separated and unfortunately are not.

guitars, girls, weed, drugs and music, and sports. that was my life for the better part of 4 decades. never needed any guns, not that i don't think they are cool,

a guy like myself cannot have a gun, i'm a disaster with everything, so why take any chances right?