2013-2014 NHL Thread

[Rupe]

I disagree. Here's why:

The only difference between leaving your feet for a hit and that hit, is timing. That hit is not just a hit but an intent to injure. The athletes in the sport today are highly trained and very strong. Timing was the key there. He lowers his shoulder and essentially jumps with all of that leg thrust like he is doing a squat in the gym only instead of controlled contraction with weight it is fast contraction with no weight.

The timing comes in where his feet leave the ice, so he's not flying into Toews, he is launching him. This is dirty shit disguised as a 'clean hit' like that hit on Lucic that the dough-head in Montreal threw. Sure, clean hit but he was going for the knees. Speaking of knees...there's a penalty for going knee-on-knee but not for launching someone into the boards like Orpik did to Toews not to mention, the shoulder clearly makes contact with Toews' head...


This pic is at the point of impact. That's a head shot.

Orpik was at the same height, semi-crouched and could have hit him cleanly but he didn't. He began to elevate and that all important timing put his shoulder right in Toews' neck and head as Orpik thrust up. As the impact is made the feet come off the ice and Orpik follows through with his arm, in part to protect himself - to hell with the guy he is hitting.
If I was Toews, Orpik would wear my stick right around his neck the next time I saw him. Fine be damned.

If that would have been Crosby, there would be an NHL intervention.

They replayed it numerous times...your pic is NOT the point of impact. It clearly showed a shoulder to shoulder hit with Orpik sliding then up. And the injury was to Toews' shoulder, not his head. Even Milbury admitted it was a clean hit (yet was still mad about it) after the replay.
I know you don't like the Pens but this is one of your more ridiculous posts. It was a hard hit with an unfortunate result, period...nothing dirty about it.

[goodwood]

They replayed it numerous times...your pic is NOT the point of impact.

Yes, it is.
Here is about .25 of a second before that pic:

100% sure that they didn't HIT, then separate, then HIT again and have Orpik's shoulder slide up. There was no sliding up anywhere...the hit was to the head. CLEARLY.

It clearly showed a shoulder to shoulder hit with Orpik sliding then up. And the injury was to Toews' shoulder, not his head.

I don't know what world or video you are talking about unless you look at the view from overhead and behind (where you can't see shit). Any video that "showed that" must have been viewed through some pretty heavily tinted shades. In fact, here's the video:

Look at it from the 0:51 mark which is the angle that is close enough and reveals what really happened. Use the pause button. It's all right there...even if the commentators are also saying it is ok - they are morons LIKE MILBURY.

Even Milbury admitted it was a clean hit (yet was still mad about it) after the replay.

See above. Milbury=moron.

I know you don't like the Pens but this is one of your more ridiculous posts.

That has nothing to do with it Rupe...I don't hate the Pens and if you think this is a ridiculous post...just take a look at the video a few times. Brutal. If you have even 10-20 vision you will see that what I said is absolutely true.

It was a hard hit with an unfortunate result, period...nothing dirty about it.

Dirty as Fvk.

[xenophobe]

It looks like his feet started leaving the ice right before the hit... I'd call that intent to injure.

[goodwood]

It looks like his feet started leaving the ice right before the hit... I'd call that intent to injure.

Well, the mechanics are all as I have described regardless. The action is the same whether the feet leave before or after. To take someone out of the play or 'finish your check' like you are taught, you do not have to injure someone. If you are throwing everything you have into a hit like that, you are trying to injure the target. Look at the elevation of Toews going in for the puck and Orpik's elevation coming in on him. Orpik is elevating just before impact so even if Toews didn't drop 2 more inches just before the impact, it wouldn't have mattered...it was going to be a head shot anyway and yes, timing (to the millisecond) makes it 'leaving the ice' or not.

Sometimes I think the real old schoolers are right when they say that the gear is too hard. If the gear wasn't like armour then people wouldn't be throwing their bodies at people like that...it is like an armoured truck going into an armoured pedestrian. There will still be one that comes out damaged.

[atomic charvel guy]

caaaaa' mon, he left his feet after the contact which is simply a follow through. this is a clean hit that had an unfortunate ending. you can't burn this guy at the stake for this hit, regardless of what he may or may not have done in the past. and no you guys are all wrong, if this had been Crosby, there would of been no suspension or investigation, the guy who threw the hit would simply be on death row awaiting fatal injection or electrocution.

[clifffclaven]

Gwood- I've got 20/20 hawks homer vision, lol, and that hit was clean. If they start calling penalties on that shit, I'm done watching.

[Rupe]

Odd that this supposed hit to Toews' head injured his shoulder...how does that happen?

Had the initial contact truly been with the head, Toews would be drooling all over himself today instead of walking around with his left arm in a sling and being listed as day-to-day (a good sign I hope).

[clifffclaven]

I'm thinking 'day to day' means 'out until the playoffs'.
Without toews and Kane, Chicago is out in the first round. Hope they come back.

[ZL1hawk]

It's a tough game at that speed and it's super hard to control everything going on. When I played in the Chicago Men's League it wasn't easy keeping other players from hitting my elbow with their face. I tried to warn them but nobody ever listens to me.

It happens.

[Razor]

Disagree. I'm the biggest hawks homer on this board. Toews got caught looking at the puck in his feet and got fuckin smoked.

Gwood- I've got 20/20 hawks homer vision, lol, and that hit was clean. If they start calling penalties on that shit, I'm done watching.

This is all that needs to be said.

Milbury sure is fun to watch with his Pens/Orpik hatred. I don't even listen to him, just watching is blathering is humorous enough for me.

[goodwood]

Well if you guys aren't going to watch the video which absolutely and clearly shows shoulder to head impact with no "sliding up" thenso be it. The video is clear. 0:50 mark.

[Shawn Lutz]

Disagree. I'm the biggest hawks homer on this board. Toews got caught looking at the puck in his feet and got fuckin smoked. I do agree, however, that if it was Crosby on the recieving end, it woulda been 5+ a game for whoever hit him.

That is called hockey Cliff, Toews wears pads for a reason.

Agreed on the ole double-standard

I see it as a hit to the head myself but the league is ran by a bunch of inconsistent pussies who'll never get it right. They talk the talk on concussion/head shots but certainly do not walk the walk. The other element is officials, post game you can go frame by frame, fraction of a second...they don't have the luxury in fast paced real time. Having said that the league has video evidence at their disposal whee determining supplemental discipline which I feel they are doin a poor job on.

[Shawn Lutz]

ok after watching the youtube clip Bill post leaving the feet is a non issue, this is blind side rule violation. pause at :45 mark and looks liek ahead shot

[clifffclaven]

ok after watching the youtube clip Bill post leaving the feet is a non issue, this is blind side rule violation. pause at :45 mark and looks liek ahead shot

I agree he did catch part of the head. But toews got up not moving his arm, guaranteed dislocation or separation.
If it was a straight headshot, he wouldn't have got up. Again, he wears pads for a reason. Sucks for my team that he's hurt, but it's a good hit. They're already taking open ice hitting out of the game. If hits like this one are out, jut turn it into women's fuckin hockey.

[Rupe]

I agree he did catch part of the head. But toews got up not moving his arm, guaranteed dislocation or separation.
If it was a straight headshot, he wouldn't have got up. Again, he wears pads for a reason. Sucks for my team that he's hurt, but it's a good hit. They're already taking open ice hitting out of the game. If hits like this one are out, jut turn it into women's fuckin hockey.