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  • #91
    Re: What kind of man is our prez?

    YetAnotherOne:

    It looks like you put alot of effort in writing that post. To bad you directed it at the wrong person. I could not care less about islam, or any other organized religion. What I said was that I did not see anything in the text quoted (from the Qu´ran) that would encourage them to go to war. It is just their military doctrine, since they live in a non-secular region, just as the US has its own doctrines.

    I agree that blaming all of their misery on you is wrong. People live in poverty and misery because they are stupid and less intelligent. Research have proven that it takes an average IQ-level of about 90 to work out and maintain a technology-based society. Only 20% of the world population has IQ levels of 90 and above. India has 81, Latin America 85, Africa 70 and I would guess the middle east lies somewhere among these levels to. If an average IQ-level of 70-80 is correct, there is going to be endless poverty in these regions.

    Now, before you start calling me a fascist, you must understand how I think. Everyone is competing for the limited resources on earth. This has always been the major goal for any government, and every human.

    You can't simply deny the fact that the US (AND ALSO most of the western world) has been exploiting the Middle east for oil, for a long time. The same goes for Africa and South America. This is what pisses them off, because they cant do a damn thing about it (well, they can try [9/11], but they will lose due to reasons given above). The fact that they dont even knew how to benefit from the oil themselves proves my theory. What makes me sick though, is all the efforts from the western world (including the US) to glorify our actions. We are there, to 99%, for one reason and that is to get or make sure to have access to the resources. To create peace and to help the people living there has second or less priority. To turn them into a democratic society might benefit us because it could decrease the risk of them attacking us, but in the end it is counter-productive since it will add just another competitor in the race for resources. To say that God wants you (or us) to be there, or that you we it because we care so much about the people living there is just bullshit. I guess people needs to hear this though, because it will make them feel better.

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    • #92
      Re: What kind of man is our prez?

      Yetanotherone I thought you read the Qu'ran? In that case you'd know that plenty of what this guy is saying is BS, so why bother taking 2 hours to comment on it? Especially the part about "if you're not a fundamentalist muslim then you're not a muslim at all" part, its clearly written in the Qu'ran, there's no such thing as a bad muslim, but there are 'lazy' muslims, it's emphasized. If the writer hasn't even understood that very basic and fundamental aspect of the Qu'ran, there's obviously no point in reading the rest. Maybe the reason why certain Muslims hate you is because you label them all as terrorists? Or because you insult their religion, or maybe because all everyone keeps saying is "nuke the middle east." The 80% increase in crimes against Arabs this year in the US isn't helping anything either, I'm sure they're really enjoying their 'freedom' here. Obviously most of the hatred is fueled by Israel vs. Palestine.

      Instead of bitching and moaning about every article you come across, stop being a cheapskate and buy yourself a fuckin plane ticket and go to the middle east to see things for yourself. Don't worry, those evil arabs and muslims won't kill you, regardless of what all those articles have force fed you to believe.

      Sorry guys but experience does not equal age. Living in fuckin Mississippi your whole life doesn't mean you have a experience when it comes to wordly issues. If I never came here to the US, I certainly wouldn't question your society or people, especially your way of life... seeing things for myself helps me shape my own opinion, I don't see things through other peoples views. I've experienced Islam firsthand throughout the middle east, I judge them based on that. Not based on what what Dave Limbaugh or Osama Bin-Laden post on their site. Sure I haven't seen everything, nobody has, but some is always better than none. My knowledge of these things atleast have a basis of truth, where as most of yours do not.

      There are indeed violent muslims, but they are not the majority. There are also violent preachers, but they too are not the majority. There are violent verses in the Qu'ran, but the verses regarding peace outdo them exponentially.

      So what kind of a man is Bush? I really don't fuckin care. What concerns me is the ignorance of BOTH Christians and Muslims who need to open up their fuckin eyes. Stop spewing all your hatred crap, thats includes half the people here on the JCF. This ignorance is why we have this fuckin war... because no one can accept each other, Jews vs. Christians vs. Muslims vs. Blah. Instead of blaming and bitching and crying, think of a solution besides nuking everyone. If you can't, then STFU because you're only making things worse. Don't get me wrong, I'm not Mr. Nice guy in real life, in fact, I'm an asshole most of the time. However, when it comes to issues like religion, politics, war, etc., its always important to keep an open mind. Too bad a lot of you are prejudiced and claim you have years of experience when you have jack shit. The only thing some of you are best at are spreading your ignorance, denial, and hate. I feel sorry for you.

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      • #93
        Re: What kind of man is our prez?

        someone make this guy a sandwich! [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/toast.gif[/img]

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        • #94
          Re: What kind of man is our prez?

          Lev, by your account, muslims should love the US, since they hunting down the dogs that give the muslims a bad name. So, why cant they find their backbone and point out these animals to US soldiers who can then shoot them and put them out of their dillusional misery? But yes, a cleaner more efficent way to hunt is to nuke a vast area, and increase the chance of the kill. The old "Kill em all, let God sort em out" kind of strategy............It wouldve been my choice, but Im not in charge.............

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          • #95
            Re: What kind of man is our prez?

            If there was only ONE God ....just one ...would man still War ...probably ...over political issues and shit...like the civil war..

            But Religion has been the foundation of War ever since the existence of man.

            Countless humans ...and I mean countless!!! were killed , slaughtered and matyred in the name of their ...fill in the blank God

            Maybe there should be either just one God or none at all...it would make things so much easier..

            and if there was a "God" ...a real true God ...his existence would be known to ALL mankind and we would all be on the same page ..


            But there is NO proof of existence of any God(s) ...therefore there is 2000 theories of them ....having their own laws and agendas ...

            "God is the will of millions of one watt humans" .....well spoken there ...A.S.L. ... [img]graemlins/notworthy.gif[/img]

            but "our" God ...."God the father" ...loves War , it's his design ...in theory.
            "Bill, Smoke a Bowl and Crank Van Halen I, Life is better when I do that"
            Donnie Swanstrom 01/25/06..miss ya!

            "Well, your friend would have Bell's Palsy, which is a facial paralysis, not "Balls Pelsy" like we're joking about here." Toejam's attempt at sensitivity.

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            • #96
              Re: What kind of man is our prez?

              I think Bush is the better man for the job at hand !!!

              I don't believe in all his Godly morality issues ...but right now ...he da man in charge .

              and he isn't going anywhere ...don't even bother wasting a single vote on that potato head fuckin' Kerry....you'll just be pissing in the wind with that vote ..

              Mark it on the calendar ...I said this and if I'm wrong ...well I'll owe you guys somethin'.. [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]
              "Bill, Smoke a Bowl and Crank Van Halen I, Life is better when I do that"
              Donnie Swanstrom 01/25/06..miss ya!

              "Well, your friend would have Bell's Palsy, which is a facial paralysis, not "Balls Pelsy" like we're joking about here." Toejam's attempt at sensitivity.

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              • #97
                Re: What kind of man is our prez?

                Bill you sure talk about God a lot! Who are you tring to convince? and more important WHY?
                It seems mankind in general just can't stand it if another race or culture is "Happy".Why else then would we {they}continue to Fuck with them. Try to force them to believe like us,live like us,act like us etc.It seems to me mankind is bi-polar one side basicaly good,wanting to help and feed the world. The other side wanting to take and use what the others have. Kind of a yin/yang thing.(Cain/Able) Whatever....more psycho drama

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                • #98
                  Re: What kind of man is our prez?

                  Dogma is forced down my throat every second of my waking moment ...and I think it's silly and like to share my opinions on why . I know it is a hot topic and dreaded topic (in most minds) ...that I think should be discussed more frequently...

                  A lot of people that I know like to discuss it ...and God is involved or connected in just about any topic you can think of..if you belive in him or not ..

                  and some people like what I say and I like saying it ...just being myself ....that's all

                  You don't have to read it if you don't want to ...but if you do ...it's there ...and it will always be there ..(as long as I'm here).

                  Why???.....because [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]
                  "Bill, Smoke a Bowl and Crank Van Halen I, Life is better when I do that"
                  Donnie Swanstrom 01/25/06..miss ya!

                  "Well, your friend would have Bell's Palsy, which is a facial paralysis, not "Balls Pelsy" like we're joking about here." Toejam's attempt at sensitivity.

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                  • #99
                    Re: What kind of man is our prez?

                    Fair enough Bill [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]
                    God Bless You, (and me too for that matter)
                    no offense meant.....peace [img]graemlins/band.gif[/img]

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                    • Re: What kind of man is our prez?

                      Originally posted by Lev:
                      Especially the part about "if you're not a fundamentalist muslim then you're not a muslim at all" part, its clearly written in the Qu'ran, there's no such thing as a bad muslim, but there are 'lazy' muslims, it's emphasized.
                      <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Lev, the issue isn't "Muslims" it's "Islam". I don't hate or even dislike Muslims in any way but I recognize that Islam, as a political movement, cannot tolerate the existence of my way of life. That's not my opintion, that's the opinion of the overwhelming majority of Islamic writings I've encountered. In contrast I've yet to see a large number of "moderates" contradicting that view.

                      Originally posted by Lev:
                      If the writer hasn't even understood that very basic and fundamental aspect of the Qu'ran, there's obviously no point in reading the rest.
                      <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Of course, I simply cannot understand ... because I'm not Muslim. Also a very common thread in Islamic literature: the unbelievers simply do not grasp the perfection that is Islam so their opinions and ideas are invalid. Thanks for making my point.

                      Originally posted by Lev:
                      The 80% increase in crimes against Arabs this year in the US isn't helping anything either, I'm sure they're really enjoying their 'freedom' here.
                      <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I see you've been reading the Wahabbist propaganda CAIR has been spewing. You understand their intent don't you?

                      Originally posted by Lev:
                      Obviously most of the hatred is fueled by Israel vs. Palestine.
                      <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Oh please. If that were true they'd be attacking the United Nations that CREATED THE MODERN STATE OF ISRAEL, not the US.

                      Originally posted by Lev:
                      Instead of bitching and moaning about every article you come across, stop being a cheapskate and buy yourself a fuckin plane ticket and go to the middle east to see things for yourself.
                      <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No thanks. I'm perfectly happy to leave their lands to them and I'd greatly appreciate it if they'd leave ours to us.

                      Originally posted by Lev:
                      Living in fuckin Mississippi your whole life doesn't mean you have a experience when it comes to wordly issues.
                      <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Good thing I don't live in Mississippi....

                      Originally posted by Lev:
                      If I never came here to the US, I certainly wouldn't question your society or people, especially your way of life....
                      <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Oh of course not. But you'd question my way of life if it includes opposing the unfettered spread of Islam. And I'd wager you'd be more than willing to extend your comments about me and my beliefs to all Americans who hold them (after all, the animosity isn't personal, right?)

                      Originally posted by Lev:
                      I don't see things through other peoples views. I've experienced Islam firsthand throughout the middle east, I judge them based on that....
                      <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You sound more than a little like American academics who traveled to the former Soviet Union and, upon their return, pronounced communism dramatically superior to capitalism and loudly announced that there was no way we could hope to stand against that perfect system.

                      There are other historical parallels: you could have traveled throughout Nazi Germany during WW II and you'd not have seen a single concentration camp. Neither would you have met many members of the National Socialist party. Does that mean that the Nazis weren't capable of doing much damage since they didn't constitute the majority of the German population? In hindsight that attitude is completely laughable and it's just as laughable with respect to the Muslim world today.

                      It doesn't matter whether the hardliners are a majority (e.g., Wahabbists in Saudi Arabia), a minority in control of the resources of the state (e.g., the mullahs in Iran), or a shadowy trans-national group financed by a tiny minority (e.g., al Qaeda). As long as what you would call radicals (those who believe Islam dictates politics, law, and economics) have any say or control they'll continue to be a danger.

                      Originally posted by Lev:
                      My knowledge of these things atleast have a basis of truth, where as most of yours do not.
                      <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Oh yes, how DARE I believe what a Muslim wrote. There's a lesson in there Lev, learn it.

                      Originally posted by Lev:
                      There are violent verses in the Qu'ran, but the verses regarding peace outdo them exponentially.
                      <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Take a black marker and a copy of the Qu'ran. Read through the suras in the order in which they were written crossing out the older suras when they contradict the newer ones. Fact is that the majority of tolerant suras are older and are abrogated by more violent and radical suras written later. But even then you won't have close to the whole picture because the Qu'ran is never interpreted standing alone, it's always interpreted in light of the Hadiths and the history of Mohammed's life. And the fact is that both of those shade the Qu'ran's pronouncements in a far more radical light.

                      Originally posted by Lev:
                      What concerns me is the ignorance of BOTH Christians and Muslims who need to open up their fuckin eyes.
                      <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">What concerns me is that the world is filled with appeaseniks like yourself who won't recognize the gathering storm until it's too late to head the problem off. It's starting to feel a lot like the 1930s....

                      Originally posted by Lev:
                      This ignorance is why we have this fuckin war...
                      <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No Lev, right now, today, we have war because a significant number of Muslims want to kill us all.

                      Originally posted by Lev:
                      Instead of blaming and bitching and crying, think of a solution besides nuking everyone. If you can't, then STFU because you're only making things worse.
                      <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Speaking of nuking everyone, that'll probably happen in the next few years. But it won't be the US that starts it. Iran's mullahs are allegedly only a year or so away from producing nuclear weapons and they're already on record as stating that it's their religious duty to use them against Israel as soon as they have them. When (not if) that happens, it's going to be, "Bye bye Muslim world."

                      Originally posted by Lev:
                      Too bad a lot of you are prejudiced and claim you have years of experience when you have jack shit. The only thing some of you are best at are spreading your ignorance, denial, and hate. I feel sorry for you.
                      <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Are you sure you're not an American Democrat? You sound a lot like one, "You don't agree with my assertions. My assertions are better than yours. Therefore you're merely spreading hatered and ignorance." Congratulations on being part of the problem Lev because until we can openly discuss and debate this issue without resorting to the old leftist saws of hatred and intolerance, we can never hope to reach a state of enlightenment.

                      I fully admit that I might be wrong, can you say the same? Or does "open-minded" mean "accept my views" to you?
                      Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam!

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                      • Re: What kind of man is our prez?

                        ^ Rock on [img]graemlins/headbang.gif[/img]

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                        • Re: What kind of man is our prez?

                          Hey somebody!! Come over here so I can piss on your leg! Then you can piss on mine and we'll see who's leg will be more soaked with piss! Whooo!

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                          • Re: What kind of man is our prez?

                            Lev, have you ever been to Mississippi? I live here, but have spent 19 years in LA and visited New York a couple of times and don't find my home to be less civilized than those places - maybe more civilized as far as people having basic human respect and common courtesy. Certainly a higher per-capita percentage of people who're literate and living with electricity and indoor plumbing than, say, Turkey, if you want to throw rocks.
                            I don't, but you started. [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

                            Bush is a human being who felt badly for a girl who lost her mom on 9/11. He's not a monster, nor an angel. He's fighting an evil force, terrorism, as best he can.
                            Ron is the MAN!!!!

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                            • Re: What kind of man is our prez?

                              by Outlander..."Fair enough Bill
                              God Bless You, (and me too for that matter)"

                              you just told "God bless you to a Satanist"... [img]graemlins/images/icons/tongue.gif[/img]

                              That wish goes over like a Hitler Pinata at a Barmitzvah... [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

                              I know you mean well....No offense at all ....I'm amused by this stuff....I enjoy it!

                              Good people is all that matters ....good people can disagree on stuff ...but at the end of the day ....we're still good people .

                              All my family and most of my friends are Christian/Catholic....Of course I love them more than anything in the world .

                              Beliefs , Race , or whatever doesn't make a Good person ..

                              A good person is a good person and a piece of shit is a piece of shit ....no matter what they wear , say or look like...

                              Now if everyone shared that thought and meant it ...there would be NO Wars , fights or any bullshit.

                              I like to say what some people only wish they could say ...they can think it all they want ....but "I" say it , to anyone , anywhere at anytime if I truly beleive it as my "percieved" Reality [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

                              Love me or hate me makes no difference to me (all the people that hate me are assholes anyways) [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] ....but there is only >>>ONE<<< "Bill Z Bub" on this forum ....

                              and one is all you need.. [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

                              [img]graemlins/toast.gif[/img]
                              "Bill, Smoke a Bowl and Crank Van Halen I, Life is better when I do that"
                              Donnie Swanstrom 01/25/06..miss ya!

                              "Well, your friend would have Bell's Palsy, which is a facial paralysis, not "Balls Pelsy" like we're joking about here." Toejam's attempt at sensitivity.

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                              • Re: What kind of man is our prez?

                                Originally posted by horns666:
                                [QB] Beliefs , Race , or whatever doesn't make a Good person ..

                                A good person is a good person and a piece of shit is a piece of shit ....no matter what they wear , say or look like...

                                Now if everyone shared that thought and meant it ...there would be NO Wars , fights or any bullshit.
                                (/QB]
                                <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">[img]graemlins/toast.gif[/img] Very well said.
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