Worn to the bone

[Immortal]

Re: Worn to the bone

Originally posted by Jim Shine:
I never seen Clapton with a 70's Strat. Are there pics of it anywhere?

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It was called Brownie. He bought it in London in 1967. I think this is actually 60's Strat.
My source is misleading, damn.

[Immortal]

Re: Worn to the bone

Originally posted by jsullysix:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Immortal:
Jim, so, there were objective reasons ... Thanks for that info. I couldn't image what were Rory and SVR doing with their guitars, since they weren't that aggressive at all.
Of course, some SVR handles were amazing and hard, but not too rought that could so much destroy the finish.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">srv beat the hell out of that guitar! i wouldn't call him a passive player at all.

and yeah, most new finishes are polyester, which is practically bulletproof.

back to the replica thing... you can certainly reproduce exact copies of guitars, but it's still not going to sound the same. those old guitars really warmed up when the finish...opens up, for lack of a better term. jim can describe it better than i can, i'm sure.

sully </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Nice conversation. I think we're discovering a new field of guitars...

[Jim Shine]

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Brownie was a '56 and Blackie is a mutt of 50's parts.

Yeah, they do sound great. Theory is the thinner finish allows the wood to vibrate with less surface resistance. But, I also have played great sounding Poly finished guitars. The key is to play them as the vibrations that run through it sweeten the wood over time.

[Jim Shine]

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BTW, here is some interesting reading.
Aging wood

You can do this naturally just by playing your guitar.

[Immortal]

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Sorry for that 70's. I meant 70's the year it was bought.

[toejam]

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Rory played the hell out of that guitar. Not to mention the fact that someone stole it and it got beat up and they actually showed it on TV on the news laying on the ground in some alley or something, and he wound up getting it back after seeing it on TV! [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

[Jim Shine]

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No problem! The reason I asked is because I never seen him with a 70's and Fender switched to polyurethane by '69.

[Immortal]

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Interesting. On tracks it doesn't seems like he's putting really rough handles into it.

Maybe I have more calmed down songs. I should be getting a whole album to hear it really nice.

[Jim Shine]

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It took brute force to play those 13's [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[Immortal]

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SRV actually played 17's for a couple of times. I don't know how he could handle that.

I know one jazz player in my country, that is very well looked for in Europe. He uses 70's for lower E. [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

[Immortal]

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Newc, let me repeat myself: I know that sound cannot be substituted with mint condition.

But what's one of the factors, that get you into buying? Isn't that a mint condition?
What are your guitars? Worn out or on solid condition?

Let's take one J/C guitar. Let's say Model 6, which is very praised and very well built guitar.
All Mod 6 guitar are pretty much the same, if they're stock. Let's say, they're all stock.
Which one would you chose, since you know that every Mod 6 available sounds the same as the other does?

Okay, this isn't a good comparison, but it is almost like SVR was going to buy new one. I know, if I play a guitar and wear it out, I'll go and buy the exact model if I liked it.

[IommiChild]

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I think its kinda dumb to buy a new guitar that has been "relic-ed". If you want an axe that is beat up, buy a beat up used guitar. When I'm looking to buy, I want something to be in the best condition i can get it in...unless its hella cheap cuz its beat up.

[markb]

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Wanting an "Eric Clapton" strat is passable I guess....maybe if you loved the specs or something. Hopefully cuz you loved the way it played and sounded. Then it just becomes a new guitar that you chose by screening out others.
Wanting a replica guitar of some star like SRV where they take pains to DUPLICATE DAMAGE (and thats what it is isn't it?) is idol worship that has degenerated to the point of being unsightly and nauseating. Respect and enjoy, don't worship and fawn, cuz it's degrading. Just my .02.

[Immortal]

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I think its kinda dumb to buy a new guitar that has been "relic-ed". If you want an axe that is beat up, buy a beat up used guitar.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">My thoughts exactly!

Wanting a replica guitar of some star like SRV where they take pains to DUPLICATE DAMAGE (and thats what it is isn't it?) is idol worship that has degenerated to the point of being unsightly and nauseating. Respect and enjoy, don't worship and fawn, cuz it's degrading. Just my .02.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That's it. It's like Jackson is selling RR. Selling it with the same specifications that Randy's is ok, but copying damages in every changed inch by Randy is stupid.

[Newc]

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Yes you can buy thousands of Strats that sound identical, and you can make nearly any Strat SOUND like a Strat from any other year, but SRV's beat-up Strat did not FEEL like a new one. That's a major difference between any two or more models of the same guitar, including the Model 6. If you owned one that you bought new and played every day since you bought it, and then found one in dead mint condition that was bought and never played, it would not feel the same way as your Model 6 because the back of the neck has worn down to a comfortable level that fits your particular playing style, including hand position, and the mint one will not have done so.

No, I would not buy new because it's mint, I'd buy new if that's all that was available at the time and if it had features I would prefer over any other used one.

Newc

[ May 31, 2004, 04:05 PM: Message edited by: Newc ]