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[horns666]

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Fett Dude ...are you Mormon ???

Did you ever see Orgazmo... [img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img] ???!!

[VanOsbourne]

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That movie rocks, choda boy!

[chopper45hd]

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lerx, it is 68 pounds, sorry bout that...too many hrs at work and not enough in bed lately [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] 12 to 14 hrs at work makes for little sleep and even less time here.
Ron, the stop light law is correct tho, most traffic lights here are on a sensor and bikes are not heavy/big enough to trip the sensor so lights never change for bikes. but yeah its nice to pull up to a red light and stop then cruise thru it.

b.m., its about personal choice and personal freedom. i dont need the gov. to tell me what is safe for me. who knows the gov. might tell you that pointy head guitars are a danger and metal is bad for your ears so you have to cut off all the pointys and wear ear muffs to play/listen to metal.
as for safty of helmets, drop one from shoulder high and watch it bounce off the floor. then think about your neck being in it then it bounces.
i have a close friend and bro that i dont get to ride with anymore cause he is paralized from neck downdue to the helmet bounce when he hit the pavement. he was making a turn at an intersection when a cager cliped the rear tire of his bike. wasnt goin fast, but went down fast when the car clipped him. reason the driver of the car hit him: wasnt paying attention due to talking on a cell phone [img]graemlins/images/icons/mad.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/rant.gif[/img]
so Kevin, thank you for speaking up on the moron thing [img]graemlins/toast.gif[/img]

[Black Mariah]

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Originally posted by chopper45hd:

b.m., its about personal choice and personal freedom. i dont need the gov. to tell me what is safe for me. who knows the gov. might tell you that pointy head guitars are a danger and metal is bad for your ears so you have to cut off all the pointys and wear ear muffs to play/listen to metal.

as for safty of helmets, drop one from shoulder high and watch it bounce off the floor. then think about your neck being in it then it bounces.

i have a close friend and bro that i dont get to ride with anymore cause he is paralized from neck downdue to the helmet bounce when he hit the pavement. he was making a turn at an intersection when a cager cliped the rear tire of his bike. wasnt goin fast, but went down fast when the car clipped him. reason the driver of the car hit him: wasnt paying attention due to talking on a cell phone [img]graemlins/images/icons/mad.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/rant.gif[/img]

so Kevin, thank you for speaking up on the moron thing [img]graemlins/toast.gif[/img]

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You clearly have no clue how helmets work. There is no fucking way that the helmet bounce broke your friends neck. There simply is not enough force for it to do so. It's way too fucking early to get into the math of it, but suffice it to say that if your friend wasn't wearing a helmet he'd most likely be dead right now because his skull would have cracked open and spilled his brains all over the sidewalk. You know, maybe not that bad. He might just be a vegetable. It really took me a while to fully understand why helmets work. I thought the same as you. Won't a helmet just make things worse? It's more mass on your head, isn't that bad? Well, NO it isn't because it doesn't work like that.

If your car is new-ish, it is designed to fold up like an accordion in a crash. Why is that? Formula One cars have areas on the body that are built weak on purpose, and designed to break in a crash. Why?

IMPACT ABSORPTION.

Cars are designed to take the force of the impact and channel it through the roof and sides of the car, to keep it away from the passenger compartment. Formula One cars have sidepods and noses that crunch up. All of this takes away appreciable amounts of the force felt by the driver and passengers in a crash. It's the same way with helmets. They are the first thing to take the impact in a crash. A properly designed helmet will channel the forces around your head, hopefully breaking at some point, thereby reducing the impact significantly.

BTW, I play louder than you and I wear earplugs when I do. In my 10-point Stupidity Subtraction Plan, it would be legal to punch someone in the face for driving while talking on a cell phone. I would also invent a way to bitchslap people over the internet. This is why I don't run for office. [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

[chopper45hd]

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your right about one thing, i dont know how they work. i do know how they dont work.life is not black and white. there are no correct answers or solutions. whats right for one may not be for another,and that is where personal freedom comes in. take a step back and try to look at it from someone else's point of veiw. its called consideration of others, something i havent seen you show to anyone. and btw try to explain the math to my bro.

think its time for me to drop outta this thread. this subject gets way to emotional and i refuse to argue with someone unwilling to admit they dont know everything or might be wrong.

[Black Mariah]

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Dammit dammit stupid edit time limits.

I was going to add to the first paragraph, that the rebound of a helmet impact at low speed simply isn't enough to break a neck, HOWEVER, there may be certain circumstances where freak positioning of things could snap a neck like a twig. I'd never state that there isn't SOME danger in wearing a helmet, just that there's much more in NOT wearing one.

BTW, I've been going over some sites that are completely anti-helmet laws. It's interesting to see the rather questionable arguments these guys come up with. The one about how the safety standard is 40 years old makes me laugh. This link's a good one.
http://www.pezzullo.com/Helmet%20Laws.html

The federal standard he cites includes such tests as dropping a pointy 3kg weight on the helmet from a height of approximately 10 feet. Imagine what this would do to your skull. This site, and most like it, also fail to recognize that the SNELL standards are much more stringent than the rather wussy minimum the federal standard calls for. You can read more about it here. http://www.smf.org/testing.html

[Black Mariah]

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Originally posted by chopper45hd:

i refuse to argue with someone unwilling to admit they dont know everything or might be wrong.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Where I differ from most people is that when I argue a point, I only do so when I have an informed opinion. When I talk out of my ass I make it very clear I'm doing so, and never even approach seriousness in my tone. When a subject comes up I don't know much about, I try to learn about it. I'm weird. When I don't know about something, I get pissed at myself for not knowing about it and immediately try to learn all I can as fast as I can. It's much easier to be an annoying bastard when you can use irrefutable facts.

No, this isn't black and white. No, there is no right or wrong. There's nothing but opinion. Whether the opinion is that someone is an idiot or that someone is a pompous jumped up twit with an attitude problem is irrelevant. People take opinions far too personally, especially when they're expressed by persons that have absolutely no bearing on their life whatsoever.

[Ninja Guitar]

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This is why BM rocks.

[Black Mariah]

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Ninja Guitar: Dammit, if you don't quit swingin' from my balls I'm gonna start charging you rent. [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Special thanks to Metal Sludge for that line.

[Ninja Guitar]

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What a lovely image. [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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[morbid]

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Originally posted by chopper45hd:
morbid, there are no laws about wearing leathers.
Tennessee has a new law about car seats for kids now that states the child must be at least 68 inches tall to be out of a car seat, (like the ones used for babies) not sure how that affects kids on bikes yet. other new law for bikes are that you dont have to sit at a red light if you are on a bike. you pull up to the light,come to a full stop and if its clear you can go. in december we vote on the lid law again,and hope to change it to your choice if you have insurance, but i expect that to be put off again like it was last yr.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well, here in PR there's a law that state that 4 year kids or younger must be in a car seat, in the back seat, and from 4 to 8 years old, they can go without car seat, but must go in the back seat of the car. Mulct for one of those two is $100 bucks.

[lerxstcat]

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I've ridden a motorcycle only a few times in my life; don't have the coordination to be very good at it so I stick with cars. My brother, though, has been an avid rider since age 12 (he's 58 now) and to my knowledge has never had an accident or had to lay it down. He told me this years ago, and I haven't heard of an accident nor seen his bikes damaged by collisions in any way.

HE said years ago what another guy posted above (Yetanotherone?). More often than not, a biker avoids the collision by detecting the oblivious car driver bearing down on him and takes evasive action in time to not be squashed by the car. This makes peripheral vision and hearing very important, both of which are compromised by a full-coverage helmet. He lives in SoCal and has to wear a helmet, and is aware of the pros and cons, but would rather have the choice because he's escaped death or maiming many times by seeing, hearing and getting out of the way.

[~K~]

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This makes peripheral vision and hearing very important, both of which are compromised by a full-coverage helmet.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Correct and anything less than a full face does not provide adequete coverage. Sully and I were discussing this last night and I explained that there are positives and negatives to each .. IE< more protection vs sensory deprevation ..

[Ninja Guitar]

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Sounds like something to keep in mind, if I ever decide to get a motorcycle license.

[Chuckracer]

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Your peripheral vision and hearing are NOT comprimised in ANY way, shape, or form by wearing a full coverage helmet. Waddya think, it's a big old sealed chamber on your head?
That old wives tale has been debunked so many times its not even funny. Please don't spread that tired old BS here. If you don't want to wear a helmet, don't wear one. But please don't tell people helmets are dangerous or limit your sight or hearing. It just ain't true and I can prove it ten ways from sunday.

Gawd, it really, really irks me to see otherwise intelligent men spew this stuff here.