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  • Endrik, are you sure the parents don't care? Or could it be that, like here, they are afraid of the kids calling the police and crying abuse?

    As for guns, I don't blame them for the problem - it's kids who have grown up with no idea of consequences. They see it as no different than shooting someone in a video game - until THEY, or their friend, takes a bullet. It's often too late to learn the lesson at that point.

    You're right though, I think it's a generational thing in many places. Not in China though, I bet!

    Edited to note that VitaminG hit the nail on the head. The laws force a hands-off policy. When I was a kid, if you got out of line with your parents, even if you'd broken no laws, your parent cdould call the police and charge you with being "incorrigible" and they would lock your teenaged ass up. I learned that firsthand at age 15. My dad died when I was 11 and I decided I was going to do as I pleased as a teen. Nowadays I reckon I would just be able to run wild.
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    Ron is the MAN!!!!

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    • G, they are smarter in that point, knowing their "rights".
      When I was pretty young, it was the time when everyone could handle kids. But I was one of the few who pushed the boundaries. I threatened everyone who wanted to punish me. I got away with it all the time. I can say I was smarter than the other kids in this particular thing, it's not a very good thing tho.

      Rich, I'm not very familiar with Chinese society but I know some things about Japan.
      Japanese crime rate is the lowest in the world.
      And most of the crimes are made by kids in Japan...those who go to school. And those crimes aren't small things like stealing or fighting..most of those crimes are murders, rapes etc.
      Japanese are very well raised, they know discipline but the parents aren't very tough eiter. So they are pretty good folks.

      But there's something wrong with the young generation. They murder someone because the victim was pain in the ass or didn't looked cool or talked something too annoying or whatever. They kill because of small and pointless things.

      Have you seen the movie Kill Bill, there's a huge fight scene at the end of the first movie. There is a one young girl in school uniform who fights with Uma Thurman.

      Tarantino took that charater from one school girl who was in the class and she just couldn't take teachers talking anymore, she just had enough of it, she took a knife and killed the teacher. And that girls was like a popstar in Japan. Everyone dressed like her after that.

      That's one of the problems in Japan right now, and some other scary stuff too like Hikikomori, Parasaito, Enzo Gosai etc. all those are because of some social abnormality.
      "There is nothing more fearful than imagination without taste" - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

      "To be stupid, selfish and have good health are three requirements for happiness, though if stupidity is lacking, all is lost" - Gustave Flaubert

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      • Oh, I was just throwing China in there because they execute thousands of criminals every year, probably the most on earth of an actual prison system. I'm not talking about places like Darfur where it's genocide against ethnic groups, but just a place where they don't put up with much bucking the system.

        I don't know the laws in Estonia, nor how long ago you mean in your own case, but in the case G and I are talking about, back then the law backed the parent smacking the kids when they were bad. That's no longer the case, at least not here. I can tell you, I didn't like doing 30 days in juvenile lockup when I was 15, but it was the best thing for me in the long run because I was way out of control and didn't really know it.
        Ron is the MAN!!!!

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        • Yeah, they execute you pretty much for anything you do, they said it will help to lower the crime rate, but that's bullshit, the crime rate is always the same.

          But people can't do anything about it, the "goverment" made an ultimatum, they allow you to do anything specially with marketing etc. but keep away from the politics and laws. The people accepted it long time ago. A lot of them probably regret it. Funny thing is that a normal Japanese person don't give a flying fuck about politics, doesn't go to elections, lives his/her own life instead of that.

          As for the laws in Estonia. It's the paradise for criminals. We don't have a death sentence. Some serial killers sit in jail only for 5 years. If you are a drug dealer, there's a good chance you only have to pay a small fee. Laws and special forces against pedophiles were made 2 years ago for the first time. Can you imagine that. Everything here moves so fucking slow.
          "There is nothing more fearful than imagination without taste" - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

          "To be stupid, selfish and have good health are three requirements for happiness, though if stupidity is lacking, all is lost" - Gustave Flaubert

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          • Endbat is the Estonian Caveman in that movie Encino Man.
            Link Chimosky or something like that-lol
            New Movie-
            "Endriko Man" - and i'm directing and costarring in it. shooting starts when he gets here for school.
            Not helping the situation since 1965!

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            • dude I'm in if I have hot sex scenes (XXX preferbaly) with fembots



              btw. I just sent the package away
              "There is nothing more fearful than imagination without taste" - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

              "To be stupid, selfish and have good health are three requirements for happiness, though if stupidity is lacking, all is lost" - Gustave Flaubert

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              • "oh a package a day, helps keep you tall all day"
                Not helping the situation since 1965!

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                • Bill, what do you think of this Ampeg http://www.ampeg.com/products/classic/v4bh/index.html

                  I'm wondering, can it sound like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEhFuuTyUGo
                  and you don't have to tell me how cheesy this songs and video is

                  or something like this
                  Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.
                  "There is nothing more fearful than imagination without taste" - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

                  "To be stupid, selfish and have good health are three requirements for happiness, though if stupidity is lacking, all is lost" - Gustave Flaubert

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                  • Great coversation guys..I'm stull sick as a dog..the whole family is..I think we got sickle cell or some shit..

                    E..I remeber that vid when it came out..

                    "Chessy"..waht Music isn't...thesre isn't one single meatl band that ever existed that isn't "cheesy"..think about it...

                    I love Ampegs ..I had the top of the line ones..the old all tube SVT and the newer All tube SVT IIs..I liked the earlier original models better..but to be honest I'd take a SS top of the line Carvin bass amp over an Amped ANYDAY..because I like a real crisp "piano-like" tone..the cleaner the better!!!!

                    I had both and for versatility, volume, and punch nothing beats a Carvin..they are flawless and half the price of an Ampeg..

                    If you get that Ampeg for a good price..snag it..if you buy it cheap enough, you may make money on it if you don't like it and then check into a Carvin..for what you get for the $$$..you just can't beat Carvin..I made 4 or 5 people locally buy Carvin stacks, after playing thru and hearing mine live..Carvin should fuggin' pay me!!

                    They discontinued The "Red Eye" stack..crap I really liked those..but they never fail to deliver..I'm sure their new one sounds amazing..I'm just used to those "Red eyes"..and "Pro Bass" series..both were just as good..

                    So, My first choice is always Carvin and my second choice is Ampeg..I wouldn't play anything else..

                    That bass solo was good..very old school funk ..ala Loius Johnson who I actually learned from his vids back in the mid 80's..

                    But I play like such a "white boy"..I don't play like those dudes..you can tell a big difference in the feel some of the old Motown session players and funk players of the 70's from guys like Jeff Berlin, Stu Hamm, Michael Manring, Tony Levin..I sound more like them I guess..

                    Flea and Les Claypool sound likes a white boys too..no matter how "funky' they try to get..I'm in that company!!

                    For real "Funk" Louis Johns on is the shit as is Victor Wooten..but Johnson is old school, he help create that art..he was amazing!!

                    John will post my homemade vid of my bass solo someday..maybe if we ALL PM'd him to do so..he'll get on that..

                    EVEROYNE PM John "Cleveland Metal" !!!!!!.. and say..Hey..Post Bill Z's bass solo..we been hearing so much crap..we want to check out the goods..

                    It's a grainy, live, VHS tape recording...but it'll give you a good idea what I'm all about on bass..

                    OK, guys..Still sick..must lay down..yeesh..I hate the flue..

                    Bill Z
                    "Bill, Smoke a Bowl and Crank Van Halen I, Life is better when I do that"
                    Donnie Swanstrom 01/25/06..miss ya!

                    "Well, your friend would have Bell's Palsy, which is a facial paralysis, not "Balls Pelsy" like we're joking about here." Toejam's attempt at sensitivity.

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                    • yeah Bill, some dude is selling that Ampeg cheap and my friend is interested.

                      btw. that cheesy song/video, Was bros called Marcus Miller to lay down the bass for that tune, and it's typical Marcus playing and tone on that one, that's the tone my friend is trying to get.

                      Was also got John Patitucci and Neil Stubenhouse playing on that album....What Up, Dog?

                      Funny thing is that Marcus Miller sounded like a Jaco clone when he was young, but then developed his own style and tone, and bada bang, Miles Davis wanted him and then everyone else. Probably the grooviest dude today, and he has the coolest tone in my book. Funny, he was a black kid who sounded like white but then totally changed, doesn't sound like Jaco at all anymore and unlike Jaco he has a fat and clear tone.

                      Louis Johnson was the baddest motherfucker, I always loved this vid. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9svFc2cN5v0

                      hope you get well Bill and your family too, drink a lot of tea and try to piss as much as you can
                      "There is nothing more fearful than imagination without taste" - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

                      "To be stupid, selfish and have good health are three requirements for happiness, though if stupidity is lacking, all is lost" - Gustave Flaubert

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                      • ..

                        Thanks E for posting Louis Johnson..that is the dude I took a lot from..I'm not as good a slapper as he, of course..what I do.. I took from him..I learned alot of his notes,, ghost notes..and tecniques..

                        Add some Tapping to that and about 100 pounds..and you got me..sorta..

                        Feeling a little better..going to the Docs with the whole family..arghhh..

                        Bill Z Bub
                        "Bill, Smoke a Bowl and Crank Van Halen I, Life is better when I do that"
                        Donnie Swanstrom 01/25/06..miss ya!

                        "Well, your friend would have Bell's Palsy, which is a facial paralysis, not "Balls Pelsy" like we're joking about here." Toejam's attempt at sensitivity.

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                        • Larry Graham is also one motherfucker who I've always admiered, the father of slap'n'pop, even the simplest thing he plays has a monster groove, I loved Sly And The Family Stone very much.
                          "There is nothing more fearful than imagination without taste" - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

                          "To be stupid, selfish and have good health are three requirements for happiness, though if stupidity is lacking, all is lost" - Gustave Flaubert

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                          • Hope you and the family are feeling better Billz..

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                            • Originally posted by Endrik View Post
                              Larry Graham is also one motherfucker who I've always admiered, the father of slap'n'pop, even the simplest thing he plays has a monster groove, I loved Sly And The Family Stone very much.

                              Yer right about that..James Jamerson was kinda like the godfather of Funk too..did a lot of session work for motown and was a very percussive p[layer with his thumb and fingers..along with the drums..

                              We Funked like this when we practice alone for hours..like a human beat box..dats how ya get "Da Grooves"..

                              Just like the white boys playin' "Da Blues"..You gotta pay your dues to play the blues..I guess I didn't pay my dues yet..I can't play the blues for shit..not on geetar anywhoo..

                              Ya gotta love 'em tho..great stuff man!!

                              Thanks Jeri..yeah..overdosing on Vit C all day..and tea w/ honey..oh..and Sudafed..

                              I think if you mix Sudafed with Pop Rocks..you get Meth...I saw this on the Discovery channel when I was was baked..so I could be wrong..
                              "Bill, Smoke a Bowl and Crank Van Halen I, Life is better when I do that"
                              Donnie Swanstrom 01/25/06..miss ya!

                              "Well, your friend would have Bell's Palsy, which is a facial paralysis, not "Balls Pelsy" like we're joking about here." Toejam's attempt at sensitivity.

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                              • It's funny I never see you mention Doug Pinnick when you're talking about monster bass players. He may not be Mr. Chops, but he is one of the best in my book. His tone, touch and feel are second to none. His bass lines always elevate King's X songs to the next level and give Ty a massive base to play over.

                                Getting back to your pud slappers...I have to agree with what you said about Claypool & Flea. I've never liked either of those guys. Now Muzz Skillings and Doug Wimbish - those dudes can move.
                                Tarbaby Fraser.

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