Bill's New Home

[horns666]

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Rich , I truly love you man. You know I read your post and I'm agreeing with you ...whole heartedly...not about the "God" thing...it's just my neverending quest for my percieved truth ...my interpretation of the whole picture....just as the very men in that book did....or tried to do to the best of their abilty. We are not talking very evolved , educated" men here ...they may have been very wise at that time....but extremely naive in our world today.

Unlike a few here ..many people think I'm a pretty hateful , "evil" person for my beliefs . That I impose my beliefs on others and don't respect those who differ. I have NEVER disrespected anyone here for thier belifs ...NEVER have I attacked anyone here on a personal level just for beliving in something for having strong convictions ...even if I don't agree ...This is so incorrect it's ridiculous..

I will and shall ATTACK at all times if attacked ..and If someone smacks me on one cheek I smash them on the other. I will give my enemies 100 times the crap they give me. Just to insure that I get no crap....or a little as possible.

But as you know , my family is Catholic ..they love God . They belive in all those things that I believed in , that I now want to discredit. I can , have and will discredit God without harming or disrespecting a single hair on their heads...because I love them ....and I'm a decent humans....just as they are.

The major difference in practicing Satanism or Christianity is it's morals..my biggest beef with Christianity is "Love thy Enemy"...No way , it can't be done!

In Satan's view Enemies are made to hate just as he's hated by most.

Well with that mentioned ..there is a lot involved with this mindset. For the obvious reasons.. It's the difference btween all men are created equal and we are all God's children or the solid belif in the fact that there IS human garbage that should NOT exist in this world.

If you believe in the latter and are a Christian ..your on the wrong side of the fence. Being on my side means your home.. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Any "disrespect" or "Hate" percieved here by others about me is purely imagined ..It's not fact but only their perception of that fact.

By me dissing God??? Is that disrecting others who believe in him . I guess it is ...I guess that is the "Hatred" ..The alledged "personal attacks". OK let's get this straight . That means everyone that hates the Devil disrespects and attacks me ...holy crap ...I'm being attacked by the whole world including my family and best of friends...just like you Rich.

Hey if your a true honest , good person , who is not a phony , and is solid in his convictions and morals and goals....I don't care what that person believes in. If I befriend you , I will go to bat for him until the day I die.

But if your a stupid , phony piece of human crap ....you have NO opinion or say to me and you should not exist.

[Emthrax]

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What I don't understand is how anyone who loves metal, and I mean all metal whether you're old school, nu school, thrash, death, dirty or clean... how anyone who loves metal can get offended by anyone's views on anything.

In your face metal screams of controversy, hate, love, crime, is for the most part anti-religion, anti-god, anti-peace, sex, drugs, alcohol... all the nasties. All the nastiness we all love and crave that is taboo to most of society.

So what is the big muthafukkin' deal? [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

If you hate God, fine. If you love God, fine (Stryper pulled it off). If you love Satan, fine (hail Slayer). If you hate Satan.. umm... is there any metal band that professes their hate for Satan?
And if you just don't give a fukk, then happy are we.

[horns666]

Re: ****Re****: ************Re************: ************Bill************\'*****

I love Stryper...they are awesome but I also Love Samael.

You hit a good point right on the bean Em..

That is EXACTLY what I mean about being phony...proclaiming that your metal and being "offended" by words of who doesn't see things your way..they get all violated on the inside ...it knaws at them like a cancer....they build a deep seated hatred for you ...like they did with Bush.

That is a true poser..they can kiss my ass...and there is a few here ...they know who they are....so do we.

As far as I'm concerned you can say or believe in anything you want ...all I ask is to be a credible , responsible , accountable human....then you get my respect and once you have it ...I'm loyal.

As far as a "God" is concerned ...yes I do believe in God ...and that god is me . I'm my own God ...I reap what I sow and control my own destiny...and my family's destiny ...and sometimes my enemy's destiny ...I put some away for life (that's destiny)...I'm the most real God they know.

[wulfe13]

Re: ****Re****: ************Re************: ************Bill************\'*****

My ONLY problem with Bill, is the fact he finds it necessary to CONSTANTLY push his beliefs! That's why you don't see me posting in this thread usually... It does offend me, and yes, I love metal. If the metal I listened to was saying the same things Bill does, then I wouldn't be listening to it...

I don't come here to preach, I'm a Christian and I can't stand when people preach AT me about MY life... So why would I want to read all about Bill's religion or lack of it, or whatever? He's preaching a different kind of sermon but it's still preaching! It get's really old! I'm not trying to stir anything up, JMO... I don't get why THIS thread is even on this board... Political threads get yanked quick as sh!t but religious ones don't??? I think religion stirs people up at least as much as politics....

[horns666]

Re: ****Re****: ************Re************: ************Bill************\'*****

Hello Wulfe13 , I would like to welcome you.

hmmmm...how can I explain this. OK , Wulfe , I live amoung Christians ...I live with them 24 / 7. I preach constantly because I'm refining doing what I do. Not many people out there can preach what I preach , None that I know of. But if anything is being PUSHED" it's certainly NOT of my doing. I would say that "GOD" is pushed pretty sparingly around here...your just immune to it as a "christian"...

There is a lot of "preaching" going on here ...but as you know you don't know how much cigerrette smoke stinks if your a smoker.

but if your a non-smoker you can smell it a mile away and sometimes it "irks" you. That street goes both ways ...my praise of Satan "irks" you and your righteousness thru Christ "irks" me....

But I unlike you sir , I know how to disconnect the belief from the person. That's not an attack on you ..it involves most people.

Analogy..Me and John used to get into some majorly heated disputes in his basement over a stupid riff at band practice. The arguements were due to fatigue and frustration ...some to the degree that would make lesser people enemys. But I know John he is a true good person and what is going on over a "riff" is absolutely nothing personal whatsoever. We would get into a pretty heated one downstairs ...but we left it downstairs where it belongs ..when we got upstairs we hung out and BSd all night like usual...like retards.

Some people like yourself Wulfe get very offended and percieve that my attack on God is a personal attack on you. If the roles were reversed and I was offended by everyone that hated Satan ...I would be a very lonly man.

Rich loves God ...I love Satan ...I love Rich ...you see ...you see how this works...he's a good dude!

WOW..Satanists and Christians can love each other ...without me ...how would you ever find this out..??

This seems like small potatos or "preaching" to some ...but damn isn't this interesting crap or what! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Maybe I'm being a bit accusatory here Wulfe ...maybe you just don't know me yet..and visa versa.

and maybe if we did , you and I would be hangin' here more often ...then again ..maybe not. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/toast.gif[/img]

[Emthrax]

Re: ****Re****: ************Re************: ************Bill************\'*****

You're right Wulfe. I see where you are coming from. I think everyone (but the most gullible) on the planet does not like being told what to believe or what to do or what have you. Whole nations have been founded on this need to be free in thinking.

Living in a primarily Christian society one gets used to all the Christian-type remarks and nothing is ever said. It's acceptable. Anything south of that will be taboo. It always is, and it will be glaringly more apparent.
This is why heavy metal is so attractive and mysterious and dangerous.
You say "bless you" when someone sneezes. Tell them "Go to hell" and they're not gonna be too thrilled with your sentiment.
But you know, I have seen pleas for prayers here on the JCF and no one so much as even blinked an eye about it.
Maybe Bill goes overboard, maybe he's just being himself.
He's definitely not the only opinionated mofo around these parts. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
If getting a rise out of people is on his agenda, then he is certainly being amused by folks fueling the fire.
So one can either let it bother them or not.
He's just a big dork is all. AHAHAHAHAHA!! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
(love ya, BillZ)
I still don't understand why things are taken so seriously here in cyberspace. In a guitar forum.
Filled with metalheads and potheads!! See the irony?
I read so many threads and just laugh my ass off thinking, "Whatever! Okaaaay! That is one strange fella!"
It's all good.

Yes, preaching is preaching. This whole board is nothing but one big preach about Jackson and Charvel guitars.
Pick your poison.

Anyway, just how I see things is all. [img]/images/graemlins/toast.gif[/img]

Em

[lerxstcat]

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Lerx... How does Israel compare wtih Britain and the USA? just looking at your sig. Ruined country IMO.

[/ QUOTE ]Drip, that's been my sig since before the Iraq war stated, and you just now noticed? [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]All three countries are ready to apply force when needed to achieve their aims. As for Israel being ruined, why?Because after 3,000 years of oppression everywhere worldwide, they have finally drawn a line and said, "HEREwe take no sh!t from ANYBODY anymore!"? They have every right, and the Palestinian "nation" is a fraud concocted in the 60s. Those people are Jordanians, that's what they are, and they should live in Jordan. Jordan, in turn, gave up its claim on the eastern half of Jerusalemwhen it attacked Israel with the other Arab nations and got its ass royally beat (that's for the King [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] ) like the others. I think if the terror war really hits the fan into a Western vs. Islam war, the Israelis will be the best allies we could have, snce without our restraints they would probably have already solved this problem on their own, the ugly but thorough way.I have enough respect for Arab culture but they have no right to exterminate Israel as they want, and I'd say Israel has the right to do whatever is neccessary to defend itself. If the Arabs attack and are decimated, that is their choice and not Israel's fault.Does this sufficiently explain the sig?

[lerxstcat]

Re: ****Re****: ************Re************: ************Bill************\'*****

Em, "Bless you" is a positive sentiment. "Go to Hell" is negative. You can see the difference whether you're Christian, Satanic or pagan. One is sympathetic, the other a "Fukk you!".

As for pleas for prayers, those usually are requested someone who's sick, dying or dead.
Sorry, but if THAT offends you to hear, 'd have to say "Too bad!". That's not personally directed to you, but if you're offended by expressions of sympathy that really is your problem. I can't beileve anyone here would actually express that they're offended because someone asked us to pray for his dying mother.

And in reality, this thread serves to prove that the board IS MORE tolerant of Satanic preaching than of hristian, because numerous threads dealing with Christian beliefs have been deleted where this one goes on. I'm glad this thread does go on, I love Bill and enjoy his posts. Once in awhile, like maybe once for every 100 times I have a reply to an anti-Christian comment, I'll go ahead and say it. This board is not a pro-Christian haven by any stretch, it's kind of funny that you could see it that way. So once in awhile I feel entitled to say my piece on this topic, since I support this thread daily and the 130 page one that preceded it on the old board.

Rather than saying metalheads shouldn't take offense, I think metalheads are among the MOST
offended by the things they don't like or agree with. That's why we're all rowdy and sh1t, right?

[VitaminG]

Re: ****Re****: ************Re************: ************Bill************\'*****

Rich, I think you're misconstruing Em's post. I can't see where she said the board is pro-Christian, only that many Christian comments are made here (eg, "please pray for my sick relative", "you'll be in my prayers", etc) and no one ever bats an eyelid, let alone makes a negative comment against it, whether that be out of respect, tolerance or whatever. Plenty of people have got themselves all bent out of shape about other throw away comments though. Remember the hell that broke loose over a USSA icon? I'd noticed that one ages ago and didn't think twice about it, but once someone noticed it and took offense to it, people started to act in a very threatening manner to the individual in question. There was no discussion about what it meant to the individual, they were instead harangued and threatened and it was suggested they leave the forum.

I agree with your opinion on the Bless You/Go To Hell thing. I don't see that being disrespectful or discourteous makes you any more "metal", just more likely to get your greasy-haired, skinny, pasty shoulda-spent-more-time-playing-outside-than-playing-guitar-as-a-kid ass plastered to the wall.

I don't see that this thread's continued existence goes any way to proving the JCF is more tolerant to satanic views. The problem I've seen with most of the religious threads that get pulled is that they usually degenerate into a shitstorm, with both sides seeing the other burn in a fiery pit for all eternity or accusing the other of blindly following a mythical tale about boogie men under beds and old dudes living in clouds. Neither side will conced that the other might have a point, and rarely will htey just agree to disagree.

Whereas folks either seem to leave this thread alone altogether and so miss a lot of Bill's more controversial rants, or they just ignore them as the ravings of a loon. Either way, I've never seen a real full blown head clash in this thread.

[the_drip]

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Lerx... How does Israel compare wtih Britain and the USA? just looking at your sig. Ruined country IMO.

[/ QUOTE ]Drip, that's been my sig since before the Iraq war stated, and you just now noticed? [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]All three countries are ready to apply force when needed to achieve their aims. As for Israel being ruined, why?Because after 3,000 years of oppression everywhere worldwide, they have finally drawn a line and said, "HEREwe take no sh!t from ANYBODY anymore!"? They have every right, and the Palestinian "nation" is a fraud concocted in the 60s. Those people are Jordanians, that's what they are, and they should live in Jordan. Jordan, in turn, gave up its claim on the eastern half of Jerusalemwhen it attacked Israel with the other Arab nations and got its ass royally beat (that's for the King [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] ) like the others. I think if the terror war really hits the fan into a Western vs. Islam war, the Israelis will be the best allies we could have, snce without our restraints they would probably have already solved this problem on their own, the ugly but thorough way.I have enough respect for Arab culture but they have no right to exterminate Israel as they want, and I'd say Israel has the right to do whatever is neccessary to defend itself. If the Arabs attack and are decimated, that is their choice and not Israel's fault.Does this sufficiently explain the sig?

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yes. I'd wondered before...just never remembered to ask.

[the_drip]

Re: ****Re****: ************Re************: ************Bill************\'*****

I would be content if nobody talked any crap about anybody elses beliefs, be it, satanic, pagan, jewish, catholic, presbyterian, mormon or muslim.


as long as you're a decent person I don't see a problem with how you choose to live your life, regardless of who, what or how you worship. If at all.

Right now in my life i'm having a hard time deciding what's so wrong with the ancient religions, the Norse or Greek gods....there's nothing wrong with that. And after attending my grandpa's catholic funeral services...speaking during the vigil and listening to what the priest had to say. I really don't see anythign wrong with that either. His words were profound. Sure the reputation of catholics is a bit marred by the bad media exposure. But I can think of worse things from other divisions of the christian religions on a local level that are just as bad as molestations. It's a sick sad world whichever way you look at it.

whatever you wanna do is cool with me, just respect your fellow man. There is usually some profound reason someone believes in a certain thing.

[lerxstcat]

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Drip, I agree with you, and I usually only respond to repeated bashing of Christianity. You can always find examples of bad in any group, but why throw out the baby with the bathwater? Ever notice that when you hear about some kids sacrificing one of their own in a Satanic ritual, like the case in Santa Barbara a few years ago, or the Robin Hood Hill case in Arkansas, Satanists come out saying, "Oh, they're not real Satanists", yet they don't want to give the same courtesy to Christianity wen some Christian minister molests a kid. BTW we've had 3 Protestant ministers busted for that in this area in the past year; as far as I know, no Catholic priests have been busted for that in the 46 years I've been aware of the Catholic Church on the Mississippi Coast. G, I don't really think I misconstrued Em's post, but she can certainly say so if she did. Like I said, I'm not wanting to give her a hard time, I just think that pitting a positive statement vs. a negative one as evidence of a pro-Christian bias is a bit misleading.Maybe a persecution complex for a Satanist?To me, belief in Satan requires belief in God. If not, use a different name for your belief, like Beetlejuice.If so, then the bottom line is that od has the greater power, will crush Satan and his followers in the end, and toss them into an eternal lake of fire. I don't see taking that side is wise. I want to be on the side of the most powerful, and that was, is and ever shall be GOD.If I'm wrong I still lived a life that I'm happy with. If YOU (Satanists) are wrong, it will be eternal torment for you. What can you do in life that would be worth that? There isn't a sex act, drug, food or any other pleasure that would be worth eternal punishment. AS for why would God do that, that's irrelevant. He said He would, and I don't want to call His bluff.Actually, the Greek, Norse and Keltic gods were all very human; usually they didn't give a rat's ass about their humans unless they decided to fukk with 'em a bit, either figuratively or literally (Zeus liked to bone the mortalwomen!). Gods who would actively torment humans for their amusement are worse than one God who lays out the rules, explains the penalties and then steps back to let us do what we will, IMO.

[RacerX]

Re: Awoo ee oo

Huh huh

you said "bone"

[Emthrax]

Bill\'s Place

People are going to think they know what someone's intent or meaning is, maybe they are right, most likely they are not.

For the record, I would not tell someone to "go to hell" if they sneezed. Unless perhaps they sneezed a bunch of goo on me with intent to be insulting. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
No, I say "bless you" like any decent person.
Or I might say, "where did THAT come from?" and then point and laugh.

It would be a waste of time to explain my tongue-in-cheek analogy, but it proves my point of how fired up people can get over something so obviously ridiculous. [img]/images/graemlins/toast.gif[/img]

Tootles,
Em

[Emthrax]

Bill\'s Place

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Rich, I think you're misconstruing Em's post. I can't see where she said the board is pro-Christian, only that many Christian comments are made here (eg, "please pray for my sick relative", "you'll be in my prayers", etc) and no one ever bats an eyelid, let alone makes a negative comment against it, whether that be out of respect, tolerance or whatever.

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You understand my point, G.
And to add to that... I certainly care about my fellow JCFers. We all know this is a rather tight-knit community and regardless of religion, if someone on here is having a hard time or is sad, or happy- we all feel that with them.
The Christian comments are going to be there, and that is okay because it is a part of a lot of people here.
Whoever you are, as long as you are decent to people, should be acceptable. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Em