Getting amp recovered/legal issues

[Deneb]

Re: Getting amp recovered/legal issues

Get the pictures up. No one can esitmate anything without pictures.

225 to cover an amp? That seems a bit high. I bough a yard of tolex for my Marshall for 38$. Now I'm pretty sure that leather is more expensive, and that's what's on my boogie. I don't know about yours. I have a friend with an old mark something combo that has khaki looking tolex on it, with a wicker front.


Now you're calling for an estimate, but you want to get the amp recovered a different color? I'm sure that affects the cost. Now how bad is the damage, is it legit damage, or is it just a few small dings/nicks?

On sueing someone, it differs from state to state, and sometimes even county to county. Different places have a definition of small claims.

If the contract says NO WHERE in it that he is responsible for damage, then he's not responsible. Period. It doesn't matter if you have 4 people or not saying it. A verbal contract is worth the paper it is written on. All he has to say, is you made those people say that about him/or the situation.

[fett]

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Does the damage require a whole new skin? You may have a problem getting anything out of him at all, if you decide to change the color. He is only on the hook to make it "as it was". It may be more expensive and actually detract from the value of the amp, if it is not put back to "stock". As for suing him. Rots of ruck collecting. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Leppermessiah]

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Well theres really nothing else to do but recover the amp, once you damage the vinyl, its not really like you can patch it up, at least not still without losing value. The whole changing color thing was going to be separate, i might not even do it. I would get two estimates, one for stock, one for the new color and pay the difference myself. But he **** me over so bad, i really dont know what to do at all. The amount of damage is pretty minor, but regardless, i am owed compensation for the loss of value. Loss of value being determined by how much it would cost to make it mint, which would be to recover the whole amp. I feel like breaking the fucks legs... i feel so trapped

[Guest]

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Man, we/I really need to see the damage. You make it sound like the guy just trashed it, but you say the damage is minimal. I don't get it I guess. He must be/have been some what of a friend to you or a friendship at some point with some meaning behind it, else you wouldn't have loaned it to him in the first place. I can understand being upset about someone damaging your property, but man, you've really got some anger over this.

I don't know, I try not to sweat the small stuff, life's too short to get that pissed over minimal damage. What's the entire cab worth? I've lost a lot of friends over the years, some dead and some over stupid ****, a loan for example, $200, the guy didn't have it to pay me and avoided me, going on 13 yrs now, if I saw him today, would i ask him for it? No, I value the friendship more than a measley $200. He was the best man in my wedding as well.

You say you don't care about loosing a bud, don't let the material things distort your priorities here man... but I think there's something else to this story perhaps?

Pat

[Leppermessiah]

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No he didnt trash it, but he did not take care of it like he promised, and in the end he dosnt give a **** that he damaged it? and thinks im over reacting? The amp was a gift to me from my father, ive kept it mint for 2 and a half years, and now its not. and he dosnt care... i told him several times that it was my baby, and dont **** it up. He disrespected me by mistreating my amp, and disrespected me by not caring in the end. And to me, that pisses me off.

[Cleveland Metal]

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Nice way to look at it Pat. You're too nice bro. [img]/images/graemlins/notworthy.gif[/img]

[Evol]

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Geez,I can see getting a little miffed due to that happening,but a couple of things...if it's just some tears in the fabric big deal,I mean all of mine get tore to hell from gigs all the time and I just glue the tears back as best I can and forget about it.If it's that bad that it needs to be recovered than yah I would say try and get him to pay BUT ...this brings me to the main point :
If this amp was so valuable to you that you kept it in that perfect of a condition for so long then why in the hell loan it out without taking it yourself? It would have been easier to say no in the first place I would think,especially knowing how accidents happen when playing out.....I'm assuming that the amp had no case or cover ?
I guess I see it like if I were to loan someone my guitar and they scratch the case,...big deal it's there to protect the guitar after all I can always get a new case,just like an amp can always be recovered,but I think it gives it personality and character.

[Guest]

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Well, what I'm thinking happened, and obviously, this is speculation... You loaned the amp to your bud, we've all done it. Someone nicked a door, riser, something on the way in, or out, perhpaps both. The amp got a small tear in it, and dude was like, damn, Larry's gonna be pissed, but eh, it's really not that bad, I'll hook him up later or something to make up for it, we're buds, we'll get passed it. And then, dude brings the amp back, you inspect it, and go off cause it's not "mint" or the exact condition it was in when it left the house, dude freaks out cause you get so bent about it and words fly, courts/litigation is mentioned and the bro's have to step in to keep the fisticufs down, everyone walks away from it and yer done, and here we are...

Am I warm?

Can we see the pics?

Pat

Again Larry, and this should go without saying, my interpritation is just that, you asked, and I'm trying to take a neutral stance here and see if dude's bent or you're just over reacting, or both... It's nothing personal to you or anyone.

I remember when the Dragon got a chip/blister in it, I was like ahhhhh man........... WTF??? And who did it? Who knows, it could have been one of 4 other people, did I go off, nope, sh!t happens, always has, always will, you just got to move on... Did anyone get hurt?

[Number Of The Priest]

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I TOTALLY see where Pat is coming from with his stance, considering that my mom is the most generous person I've ever known and that's reflected in my own upbringing. She loaned my dad's brother (my uncle) money so that he could afford additional luxuries when studying at college while she was working hard to support herself and my dad studying... WTF? My uncle didn't need that extra crap, but my mom, being the kind-hearted soul that she is, still lent him the money, with him knowing full-well her situation was worse off than his. The audacity of him. To this day, my mom still refuses to ask for that money back from my uncle.

That being said, I am also young and crappy friends like this are expendible. He wasn't your friend in the first place if he's disrespecting your property, because disrespecting a friend's possessions is a reflection on how much respect a friend has for YOU. You obviously cannot trust this friend to look after your dog or your future kids when you're on vacation. Neglect my stuff, neglect me. Forget the "friendship". But don't hold a grudge because that will carry with you to your grave and will eat at you every second of every day at the back of your mind. If the "friend" ever does apologize, forgive him and mean it. Time will tell if he's a real friend and repays you somehow when he realizes that he was the one who jeopardized the friendship. Then you can choose where you want to go from there.

[Guest]

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But, what if it was damaged by accident? You have to take that into consideration, but none of us here can tell without pictures, really. If it was blatent neglect or abuse, sure, toss his ass, but I doubt that was the case, but again, I don't know. Typically, when gear gets tore up, it's from running it up a ramp, or some stage hand just setting up as quick as they can, with no regard to property. it's happened to me several times, but all the good sh!t, I'm walking with it, ya know? Speaker cabs, well, they will get fkd up if you're giggin, period, once, twice or 4 times a week, month, year, it will happen and it's part of the biz. I know you've been around here as long as I have, I think, but I don't recall how old you are, I'm 38 and I've done the gigging thing, sh!t happens on the road bro.

Either way, you have to weigh it out, it's you that has to live with whatever you do here. Don't take friends for granted tho, I've never had a "disposable" friend, thousands of aquaintances, but never a disposable bud.

Peace!
Pat

[Number Of The Priest]

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Talking to me, Pat? I'm only 20 and never gigged... obviously I'm going to hold your opinion in high regard. [img]/images/graemlins/toast.gif[/img]

That's very true what you're saying, but Larry's friend could have done what you do when setting up - walking and working alongside the people setting up to make sure that the gear you're responsible for is babied like your own blood. It's a simple thing that Larry's friend neglected to do, and risked the friendship. Obviously the amp meant a lot to Larry and the friend could have done seemingly simple things to prevent this from ever happening. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

[Guest]

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Wasn't really talking to you bro, I know yer young. Again, we don't know how it happened or what even happened at this point, someone may have bumped it with a mic stand. It doesn't matter if you baby it, that's actually when things usually happen, in my experience anyway. Anybody that's done a dozen shows, and obviously more, will tell you the same thing, there's no guarantees on the road, or going to a gig. Hell it may have got nicked in the back of the van from the dice falling down on it, LOL...

I'm not saying anything else till we see some pics... I'm crashin and goin fishing in the morning, so ya'll have a good one... [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Fishing with one of my rods, a G-Loomis $245 that I was babying and went to catch my son who was falling and stuck it in a ceiling fan, busted 2 inserts out of the eyes... See what i mean? Sh!t Happens, no matter what you do, or try not to do.

Pat

[Number Of The Priest]

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Hell it may have got nicked in the back of the van from the dice falling down on it, LOL...

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[img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/notworthy.gif[/img] That is not a Boogie worth owning then. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Perhaps the take-home message to Larry is that he should have been the one to make the first imperfection in it? I know I feel much better about subsequent dings if I made the very first one. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[Leppermessiah]

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You guys all make great points. Ill try to get pics up soon, its my sisters cam and i dont know how to use it. Im just really upset that he didnt take care of my **** the way he promised, and showed no sympathy when i was upset about it. Is this not something to be mad about? Im in a messed up position that i have never delt with before. Usually people borrow my stuff, and everything is cool. If its not, they take care of it, or soemthing gets worked out. Now just not giving a **** that he damaged my stuff is different. Im trying to come up with the best solution. What type of wood are these made from? Can i just tear off the vinyl myself, sand it down, stain it, and clear coat the hell out of it for a nice custom job? Or will the wood look like crap, and i would be better off maybe doing a custom paint job? just trying to come up with cool ideas. Diamond plated armor is always nice... hmmm, anyone here good with design schemes?

[Guest]

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Ya know Larry, they sell those repair kits for vinyl, leather, etc and I don't see why a decent place couldn't repair it without recovering the entire thing. I would NOT strip it and stain it, I don't think you'd like that at all...

I would try and work it out with yer bro, just be reasonable if possible...

Pat