Great Anti Kerry commercial

[guitar geek]

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I know the problem is fundraising for the campaign, to pull a circus big enough to get attention. that is why I think those campaigns are really empty, just one big show. I was surprised by the low level speeches I saw from both Bush (we will make it safer and better, or something the like he said, CNN showed that line often) and Kerry about the "young american in uniform etc etc". really no substantial intelligent lines at all, just some catchy oneliners. If I was a voter, I would feel offended by it. somehow I get the idea that image and looks is all that matters and political points of view are of minor interest.

Harrald

[Sukisyn]

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I do a lot of politcal reading and the more I read the more I realize how the politicians (on both sides of the political spectrum) have really screwed our system up.

[OnlineStageGear]

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Democrats also don't illegally fix and coverup their crimes in the election voting process in their favor do they?
In Florida, felons are ineligible to vote and a list of names are prepared for the voting booths so that when these people show up, they are denied. In a review of over 700 blacks names that were denied their voting rights when they showed up that day to vote, they were suprised as they were declared felons. In reality, only 3 of those 700, yes three! were ineligible felons. Why? because blacks in Florida were more inclined to vote Democratic. Yet, on the other hand, Hispanic felons were given their vote as Hispanics were inclined to vote Republican, therefore Katherine Harris turned her head. This went on in a much larger scale than just those voters.

I say Jeb, George, and Dick can kiss my keister, and my vote goodbye.

Read about it here:

http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm...=167&row=0

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i...amp;s=lantigua

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Oh ya, that was all George Bush's doing. He had a vast conspiracy because he knew ahead of time, like 9/11, that it would come down to Florida. He set up road blocks to block black voters. Heh, he even put speakers in the voting booths saying "Vote Bush".

Ya know, I seem to remember a comercial from Al Gore saying "Count every Vote", yet his lawyers were trying to block all the votes from our Military overseas. Nice.... Count um all but theirs.

Blaming Bush for Enron like you guys seem to love to do is like blaming me for 9/11. Enron did most of the "Book Cooking" under Clinton. George was in office for only 8 months, so blame everything on him.

Matt

[Cleveland Metal]

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They are both lyin bastages. We know what Bush is about, Kerry is a pig in a poke so to speak. Keep Bush till someone better comes along I guess.

Kerry speaks of lowering pharmacy pricing, will NOT happen. America is run by the price gouging drug making bastages. They will lobby him right to where it stays as it is or eliminate him.

Kerry speaks of lowering air pollution. Yeah sounds nice of course, and they will move more manufacturing jobs to overseas.

Kerry talks of energy reform and encouraging alternate energies. Yeah, right. Too much big biz is around oil and and they ain't giving up their piece of the pie till the dinosuar muck is sucked dry.


This whole world is based on auto manufacturers. Alternate energies will not be forefront till the oil is gone and they find something else to exploit. Nothing will change too much in our lifetimes.

There are better ways than oil, but we won't see it till all the oil is depleted to where they can't make enough money to support themselves and they will retool to go to something else.

Anyways, the truth is that all of those industries are too powerful to messed with and things will stay as they are. No punk assed president will ever change it. It's bigger than that.

If you haven't figured out that the pres is just a figurehead/puppet for the underlying big business, wake up and smell the ozone. He doesn't make the decisions. Big business does through intimidation, lobbying and payoffs.

[OnlineStageGear]

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All I know is I pay enough in Taxes. Raising Taxes never stimulated an economy. Kerry is only promising to raise Taxes on people making 200K and up (Punish Success) but I seem to remember 12 years ago someone made the same exact promise and everyone making 36K and up got thier taxes raised.

[OnlineStageGear]

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If you haven't figured out that the pres is just a figurehead/puppet for the underlying big business, wake up and smell the ozone. He doesn't make the decisions. Big business does through intimidation, lobbying and payoffs.

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And they should. They are the backbone of our society and economy. They are the ones that employ millions and millions of people. They are the ones who come up with new and exciting products. They are the ones who are on the cutting edge of Technology and are the reason we have all the fancy stuff we have today. We better start doing more for business around here and making it more promising to stay here in America, and raising thier f-in taxes AIN'T THE ANSWER !!!!!!

Matt

[charvelguy]

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Image is important. It is said when color TV first came about into the American home during the 1960 election between Kennedy and Nixon, image played a huge part. During one particular nationally televised debate..the very first one, Kennedy was tan, comfortable, well spoken. Nixon was experienced but nervous, had a 5 o clock shadow, and looked pale in comparison to Kennedy as he refused makeup and was said to be sick from a knee injury. Those having listened by radio, thought Nixon had won the debate, but the voters watching the televised debate said to had given the win to Kennedy. The same rumored to be said for the Lincoln-Douglas election of 1860. Lincoln is rumored to never have worn a beard until a letter from an 11 yr old girl said to have sparked him to grow one as it would keen the interest of women to encourage their husbands to vote for him. Could be, Lincoln is said to have grown one shortly after and had won the election by a close margain. History rather attributes his being the first Republican to be elected because the Democrats were not fully unified in their choice for candidacy. Either way, it was an important win.

So, history aside, the candidates of this election are just beginning to establish their footing and feeling the situation out defensively and offensively. I see Bush campaining playing with the same idealistic rhetoric that has sustained him through all the fiascoes in part or full that have taken place in his political career. I hear it Kerry's camp also, the difference being Kerry hasn't screwed anything up, he's just been playing follow the rhetorical leader (Bush) same as any other Senator who wanted to support his country without being labeled as appearing unpatriotic during a very difficult time.

Clinton said it himself once "people would rather have a leader that is strong and wrong than weak and right"
I don't see Kerry as a weak person as much as the Republicans may try to paint him with that label. It is gonna be an interesting election irregardless.

[tigertailz]

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your right charvelguy [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]they asked people which
one did the best speech and the people listening
on radio mostly said nixon and the people watching
tv said kennedy

[charvelguy]

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I didn't say Bush was responsible for Florida miscounts, but you know damn well the Republican party was not playing straight pool in the voting process either. 9/11 wasn't 100% Bush's fault so don't think I blame him for this either. Usually when something of that magnitude occurs on someones watch tho, who do you think it going to take heat?
I think he was busy using Air Force one as his personal taxi for promoting apple pie and baseball to schoolkids on taxpayer money. I haven't forgotten where and what he was doing at the time. Nor have I forgotten how there could be a mushroom cloud coming from Iraq from that certain attempt at purchasing in Africa which turned out to be bogus.
Iran has always been a bigger threat, Korea has always been a bigger threat. Syria, Iran harbor terrorists but Iraq was just next on the list of being the biggest pain in Bush's Keister. Did he give Saddam a chance?.. yes, was it enough? I'll go with Clinton on that one and in a nutshell, No, we acted prematurely and now you have one hell of a financial sinkhole. We wanted to show we are a leader in interantional politics and policies, well, we're going to take the full brunt for acting as such. Even down the road, the possibility exists Britian may change it's tune at the next changing of the guard. Tax the rich? you bet. The friggen CEO's are to be regulated to not abuse stock options at the shareholders expense. It supposed to happen, yet they still get away with it. Yeah, corporate America funds the pockets of those who look after their interests but sometimes the little guy is getting the shaft.

[sambencuda]

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How was Saddam such a threat? They found no WMD. Saddam was not allowing the inspectors to come in so that the whole world would not see that he had nothing. Not because he was hiding them. Sure he was threat, but not more than alqueda itself. Now that we have gone in, the military is in crisis mode, not to mention the financial burden.

I don't care who you put up or what they look like. I would vote for a chimp before giving a vote to Bush. JMHO.

Jim

[skidd]

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All I have to say if you don't vote DO NOT BITCH. I don't care who you vote for just vote!

[OnlineStageGear]

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The thing is that all the people were fed the same intelligence that Bush was and all came to the same conclusion that Bush Did. Sadam had to go. Was Saddam given enoguh time ?? I think 12 years was long enough.

It turns out the British Intellegence that Iraq WAS in negotiations to by Yellow Cake Uranium IS tru. Is that all over the news ?/ No. It got very little coverage.

"I think he was busy using Air Force one as his personal taxi for promoting apple pie and baseball to schoolkids on taxpayer money."

Ya, and if the little kids didn't vote for him then he would list them as felons so they couldn't vote.....

"The friggen CEO's are to be regulated to not abuse stock options at the shareholders expense." So all CEO's will now have to be regulated and taxed to hell and back because a few of them played dirty pool. Great.

You guys are starting to sound socialist now. How dare the rich get to take more money home than I do?? Well, I am sure there are a lot of people out there less fortunate than you, so start giving them your money.

[Hotrod]

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All I have to say if you don't vote DO NOT BITCH. I don't care who you vote for just vote!

[/ QUOTE ] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] Exactly. I've been saying that for years. If you don't vote, don't bitch. Very true Skidd [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

[Lev]

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All politicians are shady... hell my own uncle was a mayor of a town called Izmit in Turkey for a few years, mid-sized city... he now reportedly has $28 million, WTF??

As for Bush and Kerry, if I were American I don't know who I'd vote for... Kerry's healthcare plans make more sense than Bush's tax cuts, but like John said it's hard to implement them. Ah well...

[Sukisyn]

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I think that Bush pretty much said that during his speech yesterday as well. It is one thing to make all those promises but it is another to get them implemented.

I usually do not pay much attention to promises. They are politicians after all... [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] At least Kerry has been in the Senate for 20 years so people can look back on his record and accomplishments and of course most people have some sort of sense about what Bush has been doing over the past 3+ years.