Shadows Fall

[MetalMedal II]

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that's what Death Metal is ....it growls....no matter how popular it's gotten.


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I hear that! A good case in point is comparing the later Death cds to Chuck's side-project Control Denied. The instrumental music are very similar in both (pretty much the same musicians), but Control Denied is more like progessive metal with the clean vocals and lacks the balls IMO compared to good ol evil Chuck's death voice.

[wulfe13]

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I've gotten to the point I can't stand growling vocals either. I like stuff like Sepultura and Slayer but that growling sh!t just sucks! I can't understand a word they're saying... They don't have to growl to be heavy!

[JacksonConcept]

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"I loved it back in the 80's when I was a teen,"

I just don't understand how one can love metal back then but dislike it now just because some years have past. [img]/images/graemlins/scratchhead.gif[/img] If thats the case, then you really didn't love it then? 80's metal ruled the world back then for a reason, because it was great music. Die-hard fans have it their blood and nothing can ever compare. The only 80's music on the "Pop" charts back then was Duran Duran and maybe a few power ballads. [img]/images/graemlins/sleep.gif[/img]

The Shadows Fall song I heard really didn't sound Death Metal to me, just the vocals.....and to me, that Cookie Monster crap has been done to death. [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

[Ruxspin]

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I went last night to the house of blues to check' em out. They put on a hell of a show. Ibanez and a strat throughout there set. Didn't get a good view of there rigs but it sounded great (thank the house sound guy for that).

[RacerX]

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I caught them on the Headbangers Ball tour last year with Killswitch Engage and Lamb of God. I liked SF the best!

[Drsracing]

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Seen Em twice Live, Awsome Freakin show everytime. The vocals aren't that bad compared to others.

[horns666]

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Max Cavelera does the best Cookie Monster imitation of all time..IMO.

Bands like Arch Enemy , Soilwork , Darkane , Demension Zero , The Forsaken , COB , Opeth , Mercenary , In Flames , Shadows Fall , Killswitch Engage ..ect...was and is the evolution of metal....

If this stuff keeps Fred Durst off my Radio and TV ...well cool.

and that's coming from someone in '85 loved nothing but Priest , Dio , Scorpions , Maiden , Ratt , Dokken , Rough Cutt , Loudness , Van Halen ....etc.

Often times very talented musicians like Dan Swano , Akerfeldt , Richard Christy , Chuck , Steve Digorgio , Pat Lachman , Gus G , Devin Townsend , Gene Hoglan , Marco Heitala , The Amott Bros......can switch gears in an instant from Power metal to Death Metal to Prog and sometimes Hard Rock / Blues....and do them equally well..

Yes there is a lot of Death metal singers that do suck ass (Max), but there is a lot of gifted ones as well ...Stuff that Dio himself couldn't do.

I didn't like Death metal vocals at one time ...my tastes gradually crossed boundries to appreciate the music intially...then the vocals just began fit the music....it's a package deal.

The first stuff with dirty vox that I got addicted to was Coroner , At The Gates , Carcass...Clean Vox in this stuff would be a crime... [img]/images/graemlins/notworthy.gif[/img]

There is already a bunch of Dio / Tate / Halford wannabes...who needs more.

It's just a matter of preference.

BTW ..There is this annoying new trend in this new "Metal-Core" stuff that bothers me ...the Angry Screaming followed by the gay , happy I can't sing in key , clean vocal crap...This I can't deal with.....but it's still better than listening to the likes of Fred Durst.

[markb]

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Of course I loved it, but it was also a matter of what was available. I liked Ozzy,Priest, Sabbath, Van Halen etc. But as soon as Ride the Lightning, Hell Awaits etc. where out I instantly gravitated over to the thrash bands, and eventually on to death metal. I still like Iron Maiden and listen to the other bands occaisionally, but I would rather have a new Soilwork than a new Ozzy album any day. My story is the same as many "diehards" from the 80's: we followed what for us was metal the way it should be.

The pop charts were full of charting metal bands and singles in the 80's, (Scorpions, Whitesnake, Van Halen, Ozzy etc.and 8000 hair bands) and all these bands got lighter, more commercial and more packaged because of it. (Turbo Lover anyone?) To not notice thie charts were full of metal in the 80's... were you there at all?

Other than that brief moment in the 80's, metal spends it's time where it belongs... underground, as a more extreme (to varying degrees) form of music. Not on MTV in tights crooning out No One Like Youuuuuu..... 80's metal diehards are busy with new Opeth, In Flames, Lamb of God, Hate Eternal, Nile, Shadows Fall etc etc etc.

Really I'm not even criticizing these bands...they were what they were, they wrote some great material, and they had their time. I want to see Priest in TO next week big time. But if you ignored the last 15 years of metal, all the great bands... diehard? Not even close.

[horns666]

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Absolutely ...I think a lot of these new bands picked up where decent bands of the 80's sold out and got all happy and glamorous ...Metal is not Happy ...it's not Glamorous ...it's fuggin' METAL!!!!!

I think it brought back the angst in metal again...

Of course there is always hordes of bands that try to jump on the band wagon to whatever is popular and they don't have the musical abilty to do so ...then we get hordes of sucky bands that do suck..

Besides once someone get a steady Diet of Krisiun , Vital Remains , Decapitated , Vader , Morbid Angel , Cannibal Corpse...etc ..Those 80's bands seem sooooooo tame.

[JacksonConcept]

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I love great guitar playing, good vocals period. I'm not pissed or angry at anything. Why? I'll just stick to the style that started it all. The good stuff IMHO. I just want to bang my head and Jam without being pissed off at the world and obsessed with Death. No need. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[ChickenScratch]

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I love SF! I've seen them live twice now and it's just an amazing show. What I love even more is that in the ruins of rap metal we are getting this heavy as all hell stuff that's hardcore/thrash/death all rolled into one. Shadows fall, Lamb Of God, Killswitch Engage, Unearth, and a lot of the other bands on Ozzfest's second stage are defending that sound too.

[markb]

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Gary:
Well those bands are still live and kickin' in some cases. I saw Maiden last year, and it was the best I have ever seen them play, the show was fantastic. In lost interest in Priest a long time ago, but I want to see them next week, it would be cool, they are probably at their best in years.

I guess I just don't consider the end of that era, as great as it was, to be the end of metal. I was also disappointed that those bands lost focus and we got: (Ultimate Sin, Turbo Lover, Sacred Heart, Slip of the Tongue etc.) a bunch of MTV verse/chorus/verse/chorus/solo/fadeout commercial fluff. Nor do I want all the bands that come after to be endless repetition of those bands to infinity. I like the different directions that metal has gone.

At least with some of those bands returning to life, it doesn't seem like an 'era' as much anymore, and you are able to see the bands, get the toonz and just enjoy it, as I imagine you do, and more power to ya.

[JacksonConcept]

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I hear you man. The mtv stuff you refer to isn't really the 80's metal I'm talking about. I resisted the "Fluff" stuff and have always leaned towards the more raw heavier stuff from Priest, Sabbath, Ozzy/Randy, Maiden, Wasp, Testament, old Whitesnake, Dio, Queensryche, Exodus, etc.

That style will always be in my blood and thats what I like. I would listen to any new metal band as long as it wasn't too thrashy or growling vocals. I listen to a few heavy new bands with great non-cookie vocals. It just boils down to taste. I'll defend my metal tastes until I die. Its fun to discuss isn't it? [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[horns666]

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I think Testament got better when Chuck Billy started Growling ..."The Gathering" album is one of my all time faves..

I'll take >>ANY<< kind of true metal over that Ebonic swill forced upon us over the last decade..

can I get a fuggin' AMEN!!!!

[Top Jimmy B]

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AMEN.