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  • #16
    Re: Anime - sometimes even a fan has to say WTF?!?

    Absolut - Ok, I can see your point of view, but what about stuff from Ralph Bakshi? Things like American Pop, Wizards, or even the original Lord Of The Rings film? Not the two Rankin-Bass ones - The Hobbit and The Return Of The King, but the one that was basically done by drawing over live-actors? It was a lot darker and set a more ominous mood than the Rankin-Bass cartoons. If you haven't seen American Pop or Wizards, give them a shot, then go watch something like Vampire Hunter D, Macross Plus, Akira, and Ghost In The Shell.
    Even Rock-And-Rule might be a good starting point to bridge the gap between "cartoons" and "animated features".

    Cartoons to me are Flintstones, Jetsons, Bugs Bunny, and even TransFormers, Speed Racer, and Thundercats, because of the "everything happens in 30 minutes" syndrome. Anime serials and movies are more like "real" shows because they don't try to do everything in 30 minutes or a simple two-part (hour total) story, and people don't die in cartoons. In Anime, when you die, there's blood, usually a lot of screaming, and dismemberment (Fist Of The North Star has some of the longest death scenes I've ever seen, as well as the most graphically intense - ripping a guy's kidneys out without him knowing it, poking holes in another guy with your fingers and watching him spray blood to death slowly, etc). Then there's the nudity, sex, language, and other adult-oriented content such as more attention on the dialog and story than flashy colors and music.
    There's an Anime called Metropolis, which is basically an animated re-telling of the original Metropolis movie (the first Sci-Fi movie ever), and while it looks very cartoony (Cambell Soup Kids), it does contain very graphic violence.

    The first cartoon I ever saw that was geared towards kids AND dealt with death was Bambi. The only one I've seen that gave the feeling of REAL death and how it affects others was Watership Down.

    Newc
    I want to depart this world the same way I arrived; screaming and covered in someone else's blood

    The most human thing we can do is comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable.

    My Blog: http://newcenstein.com

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    • #17
      Re: Anime - sometimes even a fan has to say WTF?!?

      Newc, you saw the entire Fist of the North Star anime series (not the anime movie, or the crappy Live Action one either)??? [img]/images/graemlins/what.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/eek.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/brow.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/headbang.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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      • #18
        Re: Anime - sometimes even a fan has to say WTF?!?

        Hey Matt I have one thats not on any of these list: its called Sword for Truth it's actualy a TV series over there but released the first 4 episodes as a movie version.I have seen most of these plus more, & have heard of all of them I use to manage a place called Alternate Dimesions Anime & gamming store & collectables. Great Job to have when I was addicted to WarHammer 40K a table top game millitary stradegy on a table top.
        According To The Prophecy

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        • #19
          Re: Anime - sometimes even a fan has to say WTF?!?

          Yeah I heard about Warhammer 40K - it's pretty much what they based a lot of the Mech video games like Steel Batallion and such on.

          MM - No, not the series, just the one movie and the live action crap - God, that was a horrible movie (live action) [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
          I think Showtime was showing the F.O.T.N.S. series a while back, but since I didn't get to see it from the first episode, I didn't watch it.

          Newc
          I want to depart this world the same way I arrived; screaming and covered in someone else's blood

          The most human thing we can do is comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable.

          My Blog: http://newcenstein.com

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          • #20
            Re: Anime - sometimes even a fan has to say WTF?!?

            I can't believe no one has mentioned Samurai Jack!! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
            Seriously though, I get right into Jack. It probably wouldn't be considered "real" anime, but it's more stylish than most other "Western" cartoons.

            How about Battle of the Planets? I saw this again recently and was disappointed that they'd revoiced the characters - they fixed Keyop's speech impediment, and you just couldn't have Tiny sounding like a big dope anymore.

            Sailor Moon? I've heard that the original Sailor Moon was a pretty kick arse series, rife with violence & the odd lesbianism sub-plot. But of course, the recut version for the west was edited for kiddie viewing and removed a lot of the violence & the lesbian affair was explained away as the love between an aunt & her niece (or something like that). This is all hearsay though - I've never seen the Japanese version.

            I saw a great doco on Miyazaki the other week. Fascinating stuff and some striking artwork. I had no idea how much of an impact his work has had on anime.

            Speaking of Miyazaki, has anyone seen Kurenai no Buta (Porco Rosso)? Now that was a beautifully realised movie.
            Hail yesterday

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            • #21
              Re: Anime - sometimes even a fan has to say WTF?!?

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              And now for something completely different!
              Ooo Ooo Oooo Monty Python! [img]/images/graemlins/notworthy.gif[/img] I love Monty Python, The Holy Grail is my favorite one.

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              <font color="aqua">Now you're talking! Quite possibly one of the best movies ever!!

              "tiss but a scratch!!" [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] </font>
              Dave ->

              "would someone answer that damn phone?!?!"

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              • #22
                Re: Anime - sometimes even a fan has to say WTF?!?

                VG - I never saw Porco Rosso - what was it about?

                And I liked Battle of the Planets back when I was a kid - doesn't Power Rangers and all that seem stupidly familiar? [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

                And I used to watch Sailor Moon when it was on, but I thought it seemed kinda "hacked up and Americanized", so I knew there was "something" about it that just wasn't right.

                Speaking of Holy Grail, I was in Hastings the other day and they've got action figures of the Holy Grail characters. All I saw was Bedeviere and Sir Robin, but the back of the boxes said they also had Arthur. The likenesses are ok - Sir Robin looks more like the real thing than the picture of Arthur did.

                If they do the whole series I might get 'em [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

                And slightly changing topics yet again; A few years back I got an action figure set from that one Rudolph Christmas Special with Yukon Cornelius and the Abdominable Snowman (Humble Bumble) - my GOD the Humble Bumble looks like the one from the movie [img]/images/graemlins/eek.gif[/img]
                I also got the keyrings of the Train with Square Wheels and the Charlie In The Box (Island of Misfit Toys) [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

                Newc
                I want to depart this world the same way I arrived; screaming and covered in someone else's blood

                The most human thing we can do is comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable.

                My Blog: http://newcenstein.com

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                • #23
                  Re: Anime - sometimes even a fan has to say WTF?!?

                  Bebop is one of the best, ever. EVER. It makes it into Adult Swim's lineup every couple months.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Anime - sometimes even a fan has to say WTF?!?

                    Newc,

                    wanna borrow my copy of Lain? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] its actually a LOT better than its description.

                    i loved NGE.

                    I also recommend Lodoss War for action anime fans.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Anime - sometimes even a fan has to say WTF?!?

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                      VG - I never saw Porco Rosso - what was it about?

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                      Basically it's about a flying ace who becomes a pig. Hence Porco Rosso, or "Crimson Pig". Kinda like the Red Baron, I guess

                      I just searched Google for a decent synopsis. I found this with an additional review that covers some more detail of the movie: http://www.heroic-cinema.com/review.php?ID=porco

                      I also found this one, with a more detailed synopsis and some pics too! http://www.nausicaa.net/miyazaki/porco/
                      Hail yesterday

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                      • #26
                        Re: Anime - sometimes even a fan has to say WTF?!?

                        &gt; I have not seen much anime except what my friend has shown me,but I can tell you without question that the writer of Cowboy Bebop,at least the movie I have seen,is a big and knowledgable of pool. In that scene where they are looking up that villians profile,it lists a bunch of names on their computer screen,names like David Paul Kersenbrock,Bert Schrager,Burton Spain and several others,who are all legendary cuemakers,the Stradivari of their craft. Tommy D.
                        "I'm going to try and work it out so at the end it's a pure guts race......because if it is.....I'm the only one that can win" - Steve Prefontaine

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                        • #27
                          Re: Anime - sometimes even a fan has to say WTF?!?

                          My old roommate was really into anime, so I ended up watching quite a bit. And I don't really like anime in the first place (most of it is really stupid)... I'll list the ones I liked and the ones I really disliked.

                          X (the 20 something episode series, not the crappy movie) - Good anime, lots of fighting and people dying. Interesting characters, anyone can drop at any moment. Only problem with this anime is that there are just way too many flashbacks.
                          Hellsing - Cool idea, interesting to watch, starts off kinda boring but gets better.
                          Scryed - Again, cool ideas for the character designs. Enjoyable throughout the entire series. Lots of cool fight scenes and a story that keeps you interested.
                          Kenshin (the series... all like 90 friggen episodes...) - Starts of really slow, gets better as time goes on. Lots of cool characters and an interesting story. After the 2nd season ends (and it goes into the "god" storyline) it gets terrible, the enemies are just lame and I struggled to stay interested.
                          Samurai Champloo - I liked this anime.. Saw like 2 episodes had some good fighting and really good artwork. Didn't get too much into the storyline, but you can't really after 2 20 minute episodes.
                          Samurai Deeper Kyo - Saw a bunch of episodes of this, enjoyed it, kinda silly at times but interesting still. I don't get some of the jokes though.
                          Also if you don't mind the semi-pornographic animes Golden Boy and Colorful are really funny.

                          Animes that I didn't like...
                          Evangelion - Simply terrible. Every episode is practically the same. Boring characters, hailed as one of the best animes of all time but I simply couldn't get into it.
                          Cowboy Bebop - Good animation but the episodes are hit-or-miss. Some of them were very interesting, others were just a waste.
                          Tail end of Kenshin - Read above... Gets boring; almost like a different team of people came in and started working on the series.

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                          hentai is much appealing to me

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                          Bahahahahha...

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                          • #28
                            Re: Anime - sometimes even a fan has to say WTF?!?

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                            Evangelion - Simply terrible. Every episode is practically the same. Boring characters, hailed as one of the best animes of all time but I simply couldn't get into it.


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                            It's nice to know there's an anime fan out there who agrees with me. [img]/images/graemlins/toast.gif[/img]

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                            • #29
                              Re: Anime - sometimes even a fan has to say WTF?!?

                              While I wouldn't say NGE was "simply terrible", as the animation and character design was nice, as well as how things were laid out in the story, but the story as a whole (i.e. Earth's only hope rests with 4 teenagers - a never-ending supply of emotionless clones, a candy-ass whose dad runs the place, a spoiled brat b1tch, and a self-centered jock who suddenly pusses out after only one fight), and we all explode in the Apocalypse. [img]/images/graemlins/brow.gif[/img]

                              Why did they even bother? [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

                              After watching it, I can't understand how it became so popular either. I've seen waaaaaaaay better. Don't say it was more realistic than the common everyday "let's go kick ass and chew bubblegum" shows - realism has its place, and I seriously doubt the fate of the world would realistically be entrusted to a never-ending supply of clones, a candy-ass, a spoiled brat, and a jock - all 16 years old - piloting giant mutants encased in armor. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
                              Seriously I kept expecting them all to "wake up" and get with the program and try to be an inspiration and valiant heroes and all that "normal anime crap". You can imagine how I looked at the end of the series when we all died [img]/images/graemlins/brow.gif[/img] and [img]/images/graemlins/what.gif[/img] and [img]/images/graemlins/scratchhead.gif[/img]

                              Macross Plus was more realistic and believable in terms of the characters, though if you've seen one episode of Robotech, you've seen the fight and flight scenes for Macross Plus [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

                              Illy - Nah, think I'll pass on Lain for now, thanks [img]/images/graemlins/toast.gif[/img]

                              Newc
                              I want to depart this world the same way I arrived; screaming and covered in someone else's blood

                              The most human thing we can do is comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable.

                              My Blog: http://newcenstein.com

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                              • #30
                                Re: Anime - sometimes even a fan has to say WTF?!?

                                Whoops! I've stumbled into the Geek thread! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

                                Although I have heard Akira &amp; Ghost In The Shell are supposed to be pretty good. I should probably check those out someday, especially since I hear some people call my Hayabusa motorcycle "a real Akira bike!" and I'm all [img]/images/graemlins/scratchhead.gif[/img]

                                [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
                                "Quiet, numbskulls, I'm broadcasting!" -Moe Howard, "Micro-Phonies" (1945)

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