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  • #16
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    you know, this stuff makes me sick. I hate war. I cannot advocate wars of any kind. call me what you will, I dont care. There are other ways of dealing with our problems than war, but we as human beings are all too fukking stupid to see that. Human beings are the lowest form of scum on this planet and we deserve to make us all extinct with the way we behave and treat each other. What the fukk is wrong with us?

    I have a customer who served in WWII, Korea, and Vietnam. He told me about walking everyday past the morgue in nam on his way to work. He said everyday he watched them wheel out the 17 and 18 year old kids that had been killed.

    the only question I have is: Why?

    no matter what you say, you cant give me a good enough answer or reason for war. There is no one to blame but our entire race. I dont care waht god you have, what color you are, or anything else....we are all to blame, we have let it go too far.

    the human race better get its $hit together before its too late. we have to learn to live together. Its time to stop killing. NOW. [img]/images/graemlins/rant.gif[/img]

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    So you finally learned that the human race isn't perfect. Every Human on this planet is a member of the same race, yet each one is different. Everyone is an individual, their minds being like a completely unique little universe. Unfortunetely there is no defined "right" or "wrong" in the universe we all share. So, people naturally through time reach conflicts and disagreements with each other.

    Yes, war is a terrible, horrifying reality to most of us. Most people don't want to die, especially a hostile, painful death far away from our homes. However, try to look at it like this: You're a living person who can do things and make decisions. No one really knows for sure why you're here, but you're here. I don't believe the point of life is to be born, and live a completely perfect, happy life free of evil. Because without evil or bad, how can there be any good? Problems and obstacles will be thrown at you in your life, and you have to make decisions. Let the learning begin!

    BTW, if you ever pick up some history books you'll learn of times and events in the history of this world. Compared to many other wars and events in the past, this war with Iraq doesn't look quite as horrifiying to me.

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    • #17
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      no matter what you say, you cant give me a good enough answer or reason for war.

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      In My Opinion, if it wasn't for war, we WOULDN'T have any of the freedoms we have now!!! I don't like war either, but sometimes (IMO) I believe it can be justified...

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      • #18
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        This is just plain sad.

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        Man... [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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        • #19
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          What a terrible story. I'm speechless...

          I'm with the_drip. Iraq didn't attack us, a small group of religious fanatics did.

          Also amusing is the fact that most of the people with a pro-war stance have never served in the military, nor ever will. I agree that the US has to defend itself, but invading Iraq made a bad situation worse. There's got to be a better way to drop the hammer on those clowns.

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          • #20
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            We will always have war ...war is all we know ...war war war...

            it is the essence of man and his eternal struggle to claim his dominance..

            wars in heaven , wars on earth ..if there was alien beings we'd fight them too ...sure why not ...may as well...friggin' star wars.

            it take just a few to start a war and the rest world to finish it.

            over and over and over ....

            But since we will always have war ...it's good to be on the winning team ...right???

            I think so..
            "Bill, Smoke a Bowl and Crank Van Halen I, Life is better when I do that"
            Donnie Swanstrom 01/25/06..miss ya!

            "Well, your friend would have Bell's Palsy, which is a facial paralysis, not "Balls Pelsy" like we're joking about here." Toejam's attempt at sensitivity.

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            • #21
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              Ok, so explain to me how being in the military would make me change my mind about marching into a large foreign country and kicking the sh1t out of their leader, their army, and their religious fanatic groups? Are you saying that the military is full of whiney puss1es who wanted the G.I. Bill but not the risk? That's what it sounds like.
              Listen, you people can sit around and beat off to a Utopian fantasy or lock your children in the basement until they're too old to fight in combat if you want, but the ugly truth is that if we all did that, there'd be more terrorist attacks than you could shake a stick at.

              So what, we go around the world imposing our will on other countries. Things like a Free Market Economy, open competition, Democratic governments for the people, of the people, by the people. Sharing with other countries the freedoms that make America so great. That's a bad thing? If Iran wants to live under a closed-minded fanatical rule, that's fine - AS LONG AS THEY KEEP IT IN IRAN. See, Iraq was ok as it was - Saddam had the power, the people lived in fear, America really didn't care. Then the moron invaded Kuwait, and who did Kuwait call? The U.N.? Sorry, we're busy raping Europe, call back later.
              Call the U.S.A. - Uncle Sam's Asswhoopers.
              We headed out and took a bunch of people with us that also thought invading Kuwait was a sh1tty thing to do, and we chased the cowardly dogs back into Iraq, restoring Kuwait's freedom.
              That was a bad thing?

              As for Ashcanistan and the current sh1tuation in Iraq, they brought it on themselves. So what if it's "unfinished business"? You people with your selective memories - you make me fukkin puke. You sit here and make up some lameass hippie pinko bullsh1t about Bush this and Bush that and completely ignore the recorded facts that France and Germany violated the U.N. sanctions by doing business with Iraq outside of the Food For Oil program just because you think it's modern and hip to be anti-Republican, AND the fact that terrorist support (shelter, weapons, and money) came from Iraq.

              YES, I know there were and still are a sh1tload of terrorists from and in Saudi Arabia. Believe me, their time is coming. They're putting up a pretty front by catching and executing alleged terrorists in their country, but it's just a front and we'll catch them at it, then we'll cease doing business with them, let them degenerate into what they used to be before we showed them how to drill for oil, and then roll in and take it over.
              That's a fitting punishment - losing your country for supporting and fostering terrorists. That's what's going on in Iraq - Saddam's out and each faction wants total control. The Sunni's don't want Democracy, neither do the Bath. They want it all. They want what Saddam had - the Iron Fist and all the money.
              They had the chance before Saddam stepped outside Iraq, if you'd bother to look it up, but Saddam ruined it for them. Now we're over there to force-feed them the Good News about equality, freedom, Democracy, and being a contributing member to the world.
              It's like the spoiled brat bully that busts on the playground and starts shoving the other kids around - you wanna be a part of society, you will fit in with society or get your little punk ass tore up.

              You fukkin anti-American sissies need to grow the fukk up.
              "Everyone" doesn't hate America because we go around FLAUNTING our wealth and power, they hate us because we go around SHARING our wealth and power.
              We are the youngest SuperPower, as well as the richest in terms of land, population, combined brainpower, and cultural diversity, while most everyone else has been slow to catch up. While China's government still clings to Communism like a security blanket, the country as a whole suffers under the oppression, just like Russia did.

              Same way with the Middle East. They cling to stupidity and Imperialistic social structures (Kings and sh1t), and they churn out suicide bombers with every barrel of oil.

              Meanwhile, America is the world's biggest threat because we want everyone to have a stable Democratic government and a healthy economy?
              You idiots have your priorities backwards, and you're making me sick.

              Newc
              I want to depart this world the same way I arrived; screaming and covered in someone else's blood

              The most human thing we can do is comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable.

              My Blog: http://newcenstein.com

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              • #22
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                Thanks Newc, you've spelled it out so eloquently.

                That settles it.

                I'm switching parties.

                Right now.

                As for supplies, I imagine the RNC will be sending me a "getting started" package but I'd like to get a head start on things. I'm pretty sure I need to burn almost all of my books because some of them contain facts and stuff which I think will be offensive to me now. That should be easy because I have a fireplace. There's a Wal*Mart pretty closeby so I can go get my gun and bible (I hear they've got a combo deal). Another concern I have is the TV. Do I need to just throw it away or are they going to step up their efforts to protect me from hearing saying **** and **** and heaven forbid see a boobie?
                I want REAL change. I want dead bodies littering the capitol.

                - Newc

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                • #23
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                  A fine post, Newc! [img]/images/graemlins/toast.gif[/img]

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                  • #24
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                    As for supplies, I imagine the RNC will be sending me a "getting started" package but I'd like to get a head start on things. I'm pretty sure I need to burn almost all of my books because some of them contain facts and stuff which I think will be offensive to me now. That should be easy because I have a fireplace. There's a Wal*Mart pretty closeby so I can go get my gun and bible (I hear they've got a combo deal). Another concern I have is the TV. Do I need to just throw it away or are they going to step up their efforts to protect me from hearing saying **** and **** and heaven forbid see a boobie?

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                    Dude, that's a different subject for a different discussion. Don't use unrelated info to prove your thoughts of the subject at hand.

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                    • #25
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                      Political discussions on this board suck, Why? because no one can carry on a conversation without becoming defensive and try to beat their ideals over others who don't share the same view points.

                      You see the same people saying the same old **** "you people" whining democrats who think the fuggin republicans (the man) fukked up the country, this **** makes me sick. How the "man" should take care of their lazy asses better etc. etc. etc. Republicans who continue to rant on on how much better thing are with a Republican President etc. etc. I now know why I hate election years in the United States.

                      Yea I can skip over these threads but I come the JCF to discuss ass eating, guitars, music and gear. Not to see some (semi) intelligent people duke out their political opinions and showing how much they think they know about politics.

                      My hat goes off to the admins for pulling the last couple threads and I hope they continue to do the same. There are other boards specifically for discussing politics, go there and have at it.
                      shawnlutz.com

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                      • #26
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                        [img]/images/graemlins/popcorn.gif[/img]

                        Pat

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                        • #27
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                          Yea I can skip over these threads but I come the JCF to discuss ass eating, guitars, music and gear. Not to see some (semi) intelligent people duke out their political opinions and showing how much they think they know about politics.

                          My hat goes off to the admins for pulling the last couple threads and I hope they continue to do the same. There are other boards specifically for discussing politics, go there and have at it.

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                          Not sure if I want to discuss "ass eating", but I agree with the rest of your statement. After seeing the "debate" thread get yanked, I decided not to rant about my political ideals here. Too bad for the wife! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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                          • #28
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                            I dunno, this is a community with an open forum on the board for random discussions. Politics, religion, music, and peanut butter (the never ending Skippy v. Jiff debate rages on) are always contentious discussions but I think it's great that we have the opportunity to have these discussions with other folks that share a different common interest.
                            I want REAL change. I want dead bodies littering the capitol.

                            - Newc

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                            • #29
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                              I didnt mean to start a war here. [img]/images/graemlins/eyes.gif[/img] I dont have the answers to stop war, if I did I sure as hell would be putting them to good use. I am not leading a peace train either. Humans have been fighting for years, this isnt anything that is new, but I really think our human nature is eventually going to destroy us all. The human race is tainted with evil things like greed and power and it will eventually consume us. I didnt mean to provoke a political war here, I was just pissed about that scenario, but I apologize to anyone I may have offended. I certainly didnt mean any disrespect to veterans or armed services people by my statements.

                              and for the record...I did lose people in 9-11, they are called human beings, people. No they werent my family or friends, but I feel a strong loss the same, maybe not as intense as those closley associated with it, but I greive too.

                              I just know that the root of the problem started thousand of years ago and we probably cant stop it now. People have NO respect for human life. But I cant see how killing people can make anything right. Killing is killing,period. its wrong. just because NON terrorists say its "OK" wage war on terrorists, that is supposed to justify it?? I dont think so. You dont need bibles, or laws,commandmants, or schools to tell you that killing is wrong, just look to your own common sense as a human. people use religion to justify their actions. wrong answer.
                              "clean sounds are for pussies" - Axewielder

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                              • #30
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                                and peanut butter (the never ending Skippy v. Jiff debate rages on)

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                                I eat both brands... only as long as they're creamy and not the chunky crap! Chunky peanut butter is worse than drinking orange juice with pulp! [img]/images/graemlins/sick.gif[/img]
                                I feel my soul go cold... only the dead are smiling.

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