I threw my back out and can't stop throwing up

[1trussell]

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The only problem I have with someone going to an MD for advice on chiropractic, is this: what does an MD know about the art of chiropractic? More than likely, less than nothing. Would you go to a podiatrist if you had a toothache? Would you go to a dentist if you had cancer? Would you go to an MD if your spine was misalligned, thus causing a nerve interference which in turn casuses pain? Would you go to a chiropractor for third degree burns?

There is a place for every scope of medical practice. Just because you are profficient in one area does not make you knowledgable in another. I've known some doctors who don't know anything beyond their speciality.

Just a quick question, since chiropractic is much cheaper, less invasive, and the incidence of malpractice is 24,400 LESS than that of medical doctors, wouldn't it make sense to see a chiropractor first? Why is allopathic care so expensive? Malpractice insurance for doctor's is astronomical, up to $100,000 a year and more. Chiropractic malpractice insurance is $1000-$3000 a year. Why? Insurance companies base their rates on incidents. Just something to think about.

Remeber, chiropractic cannot cure everything. But it can help a lot more than people think. Do some research and don't just listen to what you hear from your MD and follow blindly.

[ABSOLUT CHARVEL]

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I'm telling you, man. You need to see a chiropractor, ASAP.

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Dude...BE CAREFUL! I screwed my back up in Feb of 2000. I had my back "adjusted" and it just made it worse. Come to find out, I had a buldged disc (L5S1). When the Doc tried to adjust me, he ended up rupturing the disc. [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] I Lived with it til Jun of 2003 when I had a MicroDiscectomy. They cut away part of the bone in my spine, and removed the part of the disc that was rubbing the nerve. One word to sum it all up:

SUCKED!

It's by far the worse pain I've ever been in. It felt like getting continuously hit in the Knads with a bat. Talk about something that will make you wanna puke. [img]/images/graemlins/sick.gif[/img] As far as the pain meds go....You're better off without them.

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I had the same thing done to me in '90. If the disk is ruptured, your fukked. I doesn't sound like that is the case here though. If you have siatic nerve damage you will have the pain shoot down your leg from your butt on down. Sounds more like a mussle issue. R&R and time to shed some pounds + start lifting with your legs.

[the_drip]

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an MDhas a doctorate...they know anatomy, it's their job.

who performs spinal surgeries and operates on athletes when they have neck injuries? The Doctors..not a chiropractor.

[SEEGERMANY]

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Whoa there nellie! I have a feeling that there may be some confusion here. Most GPs (General Practioners) are not specialized, however, his doctor should know enough from the evaluation on whether the patient should be seen by an orthopedic specialist, physical therapist, or a chiropractor.

Oh, speaking of research, read up on the cases in Florida and Ontario where chiropractors were charged with accidental homicides through neck manipulation through rupture of the arteries in the neck.

Look, let's agree that we all have valid points (minus the smoke a doobie post) and hope the best for our fellow JCF member.

[horns666]

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I'm supposed to go have four vertibres FUSED ...two in my neck cervical region C6-C7 and T8 and T9 in my thoracic area..

The cervical is the problem with my playing hand ...I can't feel the strings of my guitar and I lost a lot of strengh in my left arm/hand and pretty much lost all use of my pinky....now it just flails along when I'm shreddin'..

But for some weird reason ..I can still shred ????!!!

When my condition gets worse and it probablt will (arthritis im my spine) ...then I'll get the surgeries .

But as long as I can still play guitar ..I will NOT get the surgeries..because there is a risk of severing the nerve and I'll be paralyzed ....I'm not a gambling man!

Stay the **** away from Chiros and physical therapy dicks...they always do more harm than good in my experience and of course ...I had "the best" work on me....BS!

Just take it easy until and hope time will heal .

until then eat pills and then more pills.

[1trussell]

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an MDhas a doctorate...they know anatomy, it's their job.

who performs spinal surgeries and operates on athletes when they have neck injuries? The Doctors..not a chiropractor.

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Um, actually, Chiropractors take the exact same courses as the med students for the first 2 years before specialization. Look at the classes I have to take: Gross anatomy 1 and 2, spinal anatomy, neuroanatomy, biomechanics, physiology, biochemistry, histology, pathology, embryology, microbiology, plus all of the spinal analysis classes for each region of the spine (cervical, thoracic, lumbar and lumbo/pelvic all have their own classes). I guarentee that a chiropractor knows just as much about anataomy as an orthopedic surgeon and probably more than a G.P.

When I finish chiropractic college I will have gone through 9 years of college. A lot of people don't realize that it requires so much schooling to get a D.C. degree. A lot of people seem to think that a chiropractor gets a certificate after two years of courses.


The two recent cases of chiropractic malpractice that I have read recently (don't remember if it was Ontario
/Florida or where ever, I'll have to look it up again) involve a couple of different things. One of them was a chiropractor who taught a patient how to adjust their own cervical vertebra (which is impossible to do to yourself, btw). Another was a massage therapist who did it (chiropractors perform 94% of spinal adjustments, and they are the only ones who are really trained to do it). The major thing about stroking a patient out while performing a cervical adjustment is this: the patient probably would have had a stroke in the next week anyway.

I've dug through a person's neck, last week in fact. The number of structures that surround the vertebral artery is actually quite high. The probability of causing a stroke by giving a cervical adjustment is actually really low. Honestly, if it happens, it is because someone did something extremely stupid. Unfortunately, this happens every now and then.

But look at it this way, count up all the times it happens. Then take into account the number of cervical adjust performed every year. You will see that the percentage is ridiculously low. That is why malpractice insurance is so low. If done properly, it just doesn't happen.

Statistics say that it is more likely to get struck and killed by lightening than suffer adverse events from a neck adjustment. At the same time, medicine kills more people every six months than died in the Vietnam War.

There have been some good points brought up by certain people here. There have also been a few uneducated remarks. The only thing I can say is this, research and learn as much as you can. Only then can you make a true educated decision. Please don't read one paper from one source and take it as fact. Read multiple studies, look at the population observed, and factor in everything.

[SEEGERMANY]

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[img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] I pretty much figured from your previous post that you were studying to be a chiropractor. That's great, best of luck. I am curious though, explain the nine years of education, please.

[1trussell]

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Thank you for your wishes of luck. I appreciate it.

Chiropractic college is 5 academic years. We go straight through the year so we get done in 3 1/3 calendar years. I had 4 1/2 years of undergrad to complete my B.S. in Kinesiology. Although only 3 years of undergrad are actually required for entrance into the college. A B.S. is earned after the first year of study for the D.C. degree because certain states require a bachelor's degree to practice chiropractic. I will actually have two B.S. degrees and a D.C. when I'm done. All in all, only 8 years of education is required, but I will have 9 1/2 under my belt.

Also, I hope I didn't come across the wrong way in my posts. I have nothing but respect for physical therapists as they helped me quite a bit after a surgery I had a while back. A good physical thereapist is worth their weight in gold. But, I wonder how it would make a P.T. feel if they were called a glorified personal trainer, able to get their certificate after a weekend seminar.

Chiropractors (and anyone in the health care field for that matter) get a bad rap for one reason only, a lack of education on the part of the public. If a person took the time to research everything that was out there about the different models of health care in this country, I think there would be much less animosity among them. Every field has their place in the care of the public. No one field of practice can cure everything. As soon as the health care providers start working together for the true good of the people in this country (instead of the all mighty dollar) and quick bickering over who is better/best or right/wrong, we will be much better off.

That is just my opinion and I apologize to anyone I may have offended by expressing it. Chiropractic is simply one of the few things I truly believe in.

[horns666]

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Good luck Travis , my brotha ...but stay the hell away from my neck!!! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/poke.gif[/img]

Good luck with your work dude!!! [img]/images/graemlins/toast.gif[/img]

[pjg]

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What college are you going to Travis?

[1trussell]

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Logan College of Chiropractic in Chesterfield, MO (just west of St. Louis).

[lerxstcat]

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I think the bad rap on chiropractic comes largely from MDs who see chiropractors as economic competition, to be discredited. Those doctors who'd be most often asked their opinion on the matter would be the surgeons whose bread is buttered by opposing the practice of chiropractic.

It's all needed; without pharmaceutical medicine I'd be dead, so I know very well that I need traditional medicine. I have also had
great results from my limited experience of chiropractors though. If it didn't work it would not have become so well established against the negative pressure of the AMA over the years. I am very impressed by the difference in malpractice rates too; money talks and, well...

[1trussell]

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Yeah, there was actually a lawsuit a few years ago (late 80's) against the AMA. Documents were uncovered that proved a conspiracy to destroy the chiropractic profession.

It's too bad that the idea of money has to get in the way of health care. But I see it every day. My wife is a nurse and the stories I could tell...

[RacerX]

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Can I get a free adjustment? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[pjg]

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Logan College of Chiropractic in Chesterfield, MO (just west of St. Louis).

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Ahhhh... I live just a couple miles from the National College of Chiropractic in Lombard, Illinois. In fact, I used to rent a house near there in college student land. Some of the Chiro students can tear it up!...

Quick question,...Can a Chiro do anything for a severely herniated disc?