Peterson - GUILTY!!

[Newc]

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What evidence was there against OJ that proved he did it?

What evidence was there against Peterson that proved he did it?

Newc

[wulfe13]

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Ok, for one... Who stabs a woman 40+ times? Maybe a serial killer or a pissed off ex-husband... Hmmm... no other murders that fit that category, so let's rule out a serial killer!

Now, for the Peteron case... Why would you not be able to remember if you were playing golf or fishing, the day your wife disappeared? Change your hair color and run for Mexico? Hmmm... tell people you were a widower before her body was even found? Sorry but I can't think of one GOOD reason for any of those!!!

[Deneb]

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abortion is not murder. If it's a life, then why can't you claim it on your taxes.

Don't give me that God's will crap either, not everyone believes in God.

I don't think abortion is murder.

What Scott Peterson is accused/convicted of is murder.

[YetAnotherOne]

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What evidence was there against Peterson that proved he did it?

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Plenty of evidence that he was a liar, a scumbag, a cheater, and just generally not a good guy at all but nothing other than circumstantial evidence tied together in a nice story told by the prosecution to actually link him to the murder(s). No one deserves to be convicted of murder for being a scumbag, even a scumbag that acts suspiciously. I daresay that if any of us had a spouse murdered we might act a bit oddly as well.

I haven't followed this one closely but there certainly appear to be enough unexplained holes on the prosecution's case to fall below the "beyond a shadow of a doubt" standard (the boat / body dumping problem alone would place it there for me). It's also a little troubling that the judge determined mid-trial that he'd be giving the jury the option to drop the charges to 2nd degree if they couldn't agree on 1st degree. Sorry but which is it? Regardless of the eventual outcome, that's giving the state two bites at the apple and slanting the process against the person who's allegedly to be considered innocent until proven guilty. Personally I think defendants and their attorneys have the right to know what they're charged with so they can prepare and present their cases accordingly from day 1.

Consider also the jury's deliberations: they initially come back and announce that the won't be able to reach a verdict; the judge refuses to accept this and orders that they continue deliberations; then the judge in quick succession dismisses two jurors; and finally following less than 5 hours of deliberation after the dismissal of the 2nd juror (hardly time for the new juror to fully discuss and examine all of the evidence presented in a very lengthy trial, particularly when a conviction may cost the defendant his life) the jury returns guilty verdicts. That looks an awful lot like a trial that should have ended in a hung jury but was instead railroaded to a guilty verdict by the judge's actions. If I were an appeals judge I'd overturn the conviction on this basis alone.

Another issue with the jury is their decision to convict on a 1st degree murder charge for the death of the wife but a 2nd degree murder charge for the death of the fetus. The difference is premeditation. Could anyone seriously premeditate the murder of their wife who was 9 months pregnant without also premeditating the murder of the fetus? When they dumped the bodies in SF Bay? Ummm, hello? That's not a serious defect in the process but it shows very clearly that the jury was extremely sloppy in their consideration of the case. Someone who may be headed to death row deserves better.

[LRGman]

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Cheating on a pregnant wife doesn't make you guilty. Regrdless off weather he did it or not, lets face it they had nothing tying him to it at all. Scares the **** out of me, and he had money for a defense. I personally think he was to busy getting his dick wet to be plotting and planning. For one she was pregnant and he could do what he wanted, no woman is going to leave why she is pregnant.


They made such a big deal of how he put the house for sale ect, I wouldn't stay either, why? Ofcourse he had cash cause he knew the cops weren't looking for anyone but him. Its too easy and everyone(even him knows the spouse is the first suspect)not even him would dump the bodies in the place of their alibi. There is a lot of freaky people in the world and women get snuffed all the time by total strangers. Cops where lazy.


If someone charges you with murder your screwed, if you ever been charged for something you flat out didn't do(which I have) you know how easy it can be to get screwed.

[RacerX]

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All you Monday morning quarterbacks come out of the woodwork. [img]/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img]
None of you were on the jury, ergo did not get the whole case & evidence of both sides. Blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda.

[YetAnotherOne]

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abortion is not murder. If it's a life, then why can't you claim it on your taxes.

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I'm undecided but I do think it's a very thorny ethical issue.

Consider the following scenario: I go out for a 3 martini lunch and distracted by some chick with huge hooters on the sidewalk I rear-end a car at fairly low speed at a stoplight. The driver of the other car is 7 months pregnant and not wearing a seatbelt, as a result she is slammed into the steering column breaking the neck of her fetus and killing it instantly but she herself suffers only minor bumps and bruises. The police show up and despite their observation that I don't appear at all intoxicated I blow a .08 on the breathalyzer, precisely at the legal limit. I'm charged with negligent homicide in the death of the fetus but at trial it comes out that the woman had previously visited an abortion clinic and was on her way to have the procedure done when I rear-ended her. The case proceeds and the DA wins a conviction against the "Drunk Driving Baby Killer" the press has been ranting about for months. I'm sentenced to 7-10 with no parole.

The above scenario is, of course, outrageous but it illustrates a point. The net result of my action is that the fetus died just a bit sooner than it would otherwise have when its mother aborted it. Ethically I might be said to have done the fetus a favor by giving it a quick painless death as opposed to the horrific procedure it would otherwise have had to endure.

The question of why the death of the already-doomed fetus at my hands should be a crime punishable by law while its death at its mother's hands should be her right enshrined in and protected by law is a very difficult ethical issue for all but the most partisan ideologues. Abortion, crimes against a fetus, stem cell research, cloning, and a host of other genetic engineering and biotechnologies are going to present us with many similarly difficult ethical issues going forward and to avoid reaching self-contradictory and nonsensical results like that which follows the scenario above we're (the collective societal "we") going to have to determine what human life is, when it begins, and what value we place on it. Only by going back to those first principles can we ever hope to build an intellectually consistent framework that can deal with these issues.

Like I said, not a simple question at all.

[RacerX]

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Dude, you should write a book! But, don't forget:
it's = it is [img]/images/graemlins/poke.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[YetAnotherOne]

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Geez, give me five minutes to come back and read this thing after it's posted will ya? [img]/images/graemlins/eviltongue.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[RacerX]

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NO! You...BUTTMUNCH!! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[YetAnotherOne]

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That's Mr. Buttmunch to you. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[RacerX]

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OK! LOL

[lerxstcat]

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He died his hair,

[/ QUOTE ]Freudian slip there, huh? [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ]Speaking of Freudian slips, you completely missed Krista's "incessive" (should be "incessant", she was close) when she wrote the word "Heather"! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/poke.gif[/img]

[lerxstcat]

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abortion is not murder. If it's a life, then why can't you claim it on your taxes.Don't give me that God's will crap either, not everyone believes in God.I don't think abortion is murder.What Scott Peterson is accused/convicted of is murder.

[/ QUOTE ]Your dog's a life and you can't claim it on your taxes either.A fetus is an unborn human life, even scientists admit that, so killing it IS murder, aside from the religious aspect. You're killing an unborn child because you couldn't bother to use a rubber or a diaphragm, or because she didn't want to take the pill or Norplant. No different than if your dad had taken you out and shot you at age 5 because you were a pain in his ass. No different at all, except as a 5-year-old you'd have a chane to run, unlike the fetus.

[horns666]

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The only thing I learned from this whole thing..

Is ..Unlike the majority of black people ...white people get joy out of seeing "justice" coming to a muderer.

When they read the OJ Verdict in '96..I was taking a dump at the Cleveland Fourth District...and It sounded like the blacks just just won the fuggin' lottery...I hid in the stall until it was over ...like an hour!!

Say what you will ...but it's TRUE!!!