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  • Turning Down a Job Offer - Am I a F**king Idiot?

    Alright guys, I've recently pursued and gotten a very nice offer for a new job. However, since the start, I have had some reservations about the position. And, to be fair, I've been upfront with them about that. So I've been on the fence. After much consideration, though, I'm leaning towards turning it down and staying where I am.

    Give me your opinions - am I an idiot if I turn it down or not? [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/help.gif[/img]

    Pros:

    - Significantly higher profile job, including a promotion.
    - More money, around a 20% raise to start.
    - Some new challenging work I haven't dealt with before.
    - New organization.
    - Working with some very good people - peers and up the chain of command. (I've worked with them before.)
    - More regular hours with less overtime. i.e., More time with my family. (...Averaging it out through a year, my current typical day is probably 10 or more hours. [img]/images/graemlins/eyes.gif[/img])
    - No longer having to work under my current immediate supervisor, who's a complete PITA that creates a hostile, stressful work environment. Bad mojo here - it's a personality thing.
    - Other factors in my current work environment have gone downhill in the past couple of years, too.

    Cons:

    - A lot less job security. Impossible to predict, but I could easily be out of a job in a couple of years. A risk.
    - They are changing some factors in the job to make it even more higher profile than it is now. Read: perceived as more political.
    - The position was more attractive to me a couple of years ago, when it included some functions that would've been cool and new learning experiences to me. Those have since gone to other people / areas, though.
    - Although there will be some new challenges, in other areas the new job has the potential get somewhat boring with time.
    - Some of the staff that would be working under me are not the sharpest knives in the drawer. And some have a reputation for being downright difficult to deal with. (i.e., Trading a difficult supervisor for a difficult subordinate?)
    - I'm fairly well paid already. So, while the promotion and more pay would be very nice, quite frankly they are not much of a motivating factor at all. (I'm not "rich" by any means, but we're very comfortable right now.)
    - My wife's career. She's just as much a "breadwinner" for our family as me. But the writing is on the wall: her company has slowly been moving more and more staff out of our area. Our expectation is that she'll be out of a job sometime in the next couple of years, and seeking new employment. Not a good combination with less job security for me, too.
    - With the exception of my immediate supervisor, I like most everyone else I currently work with. And I enjoy the types of things I work on.
    - I have a lot of opportunities in my current position that wouldn't be as good in the new one. First, cool new things to work on. Second, greater outside contacts, which helps for more job opportunities down the road.

    WWYD? [img]/images/graemlins/help.gif[/img]

  • #2
    Re: Turning Down a Job Offer - Am I a F**king Idiot?

    i've found that going with your "gut" tends to work out in the long run. the position i am in now confirms that theory for me at least.
    "told you guys that spandex, hairspray and makeup on guys was a bad idea, and now look what happened - you all turned into women." - Newc

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    • #3
      Re: Turning Down a Job Offer - Am I a F**king Idiot?

      Kinda sounds like the pro side is better: higher profile/pay etc., get rid of crap boss, lower working hours (the value of that can't be overstated) those are all tangible things. The cons were more insecurity worries etc.

      If the new subordinates are "difficult" just smack some sense into them!!

      But, if you're comfortable, thats a tough thing to break out of. It kinda sounds like you'd like the new position and environment more but change resistance has taken hold.

      Either way, you have it pretty good

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      • #4
        Re: Turning Down a Job Offer - Am I a F**king Idio

        [ QUOTE ]
        Kinda sounds like the pro side is better: higher profile/pay etc., get rid of crap boss, lower working hours (the value of that can't be overstated) those are all tangible things.

        [/ QUOTE ]

        You forgot the most important aspect of the pros...

        "More time with the family"

        I dunno man, been there, done that, and I sometimes regret not taking a position in the past. Now, granteds it was before I started the company I own now, but prior to that, I kicked myself often for not accepting new tasks/challenges.

        Whatever you decide, I'm sure it will be the right decision, just make sure you're 100% on it, if there are "any" doubts, you may find yourself like I did....

        "What if?"

        Best of luck bro!
        Pat

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        • #5
          Re: Turning Down a Job Offer - Am I a F**king Idio

          Shred,
          You got kids? Do you get to spend quality time with them? Or, with the Mrs.? Are you so stressed (from your PITA boss) when you get home, you can't enjoy the time you do have with them? Has it put a strain on your marriage?

          I have learned that unless you step out of your "comfort zone", you will never make it to the place you want to ultimately be. So ask yourself, what is the main thing you are looking for?.... Position... Job security... Less stress... Family time?

          I have left a couple good paying jobs...Traded them for less money, and more life. It really is a trade off. People who work all the time are selling thier very life for money they don't have time to spend...IE- "live to work" or "work to live".

          I'm not tying to be Dr. Phil here.... Just giving you a dose of my perspective. My daughter was born yesterday... soon she will be 11 years old....Next week she'll be gone....It really does seem to happen that fast. When that day comes, my focus will shift. Until then, she is more important than the extra money that good paying, high profile, high stress, 10 to 12 hour a day job provides.

          Just my jaded opinion...Hope it helps Bro.
          >>--HuntinDoug-->

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          • #6
            Re: Turning Down a Job Offer - Am I a F**king Idio

            Add this to the mix "Job Security"

            The longer you are at a job the more detramental it becomes to your resume. Companies now do not value longevity and being loyal. If you are at a company for a long period of time generally you are considered to be complacent and lazy. this long term can hurt your job security as you become more entrenched in your benefits package .....
            Don't worry - I'll smack her if it comes to that. You do not sell guitars to buy shoes. You skimp on food to buy shoes! ~Mrs Tekky 06-03-08~

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            • #7
              Re: Turning Down a Job Offer - Am I a F**king Idio

              [ QUOTE ]

              You forgot the most important aspect of the pros...
              "More time with the family"


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              Lower working hours = more time with family. Fer cryin' out loud, do I have ta spell everything out for ya???? [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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              • #8
                Re: Turning Down a Job Offer - Am I a F**king Idio

                Doug, very well said. I just took a promotion at work last month. I went from being a second shift lead to a first shift analyst. The pay increase was very minimal. But, I'm not a zombie any more and I get to be with my wife and daughter a lot more. Done deal...

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                • #9
                  Re: Turning Down a Job Offer - Am I a F**king Idio

                  A little more perspective for you guys...

                  My goal is to find more balance in life. Yes, I get to spend time with my family, inc. kids. And, yes, the stress of my current work environment does sometimes impact home life. Currently, it's managable - sometimes better, sometimes worse. But, of course, I'd like to spend MORE time and better QUALITY time with them. That's a definite goal. For the right position, I'd even be willing to "downshift" my career a little. This doesn't feel like that, though.

                  As to job security / longevity. Agreed, it's not the be all / end all. However, unlike some places, the longevity in my current position is not a detriment at all. I've been treated well, with progressive promotions and increased responsibilities over time. In fact, I was promoted again just a few months ago.

                  As to job security, it's not just the possibility of losing the job itself. It's that the new job will have significant enough political connotations that it would make it considerably harder for me to find the "next job" after that one. Hard to describe without going into a lot of detail.

                  As to resisting change: trust me, that's not an issue. My current work environment is so dynamic, I'm in a constant state of change even without switching jobs. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

                  My "gut" tells me that I would be taking this job simply for the sake of making a change. That's not a good enough reason. When I make a move, I want it to be because it BOTH gets me out of the negatives of my current position AND it's something I want to do and think I'll enjoy for a while. It feels like a good deal of the former but not enough of the latter. And that makes me want to take a pass on this one. DON'T assume, however, that this is a decision to definitely stay! Just one to not leave now, and explore other better opportunities later.

                  Finally, a long time ago someone gave me a great piece of advice about changing jobs: don't just think about the job you'd be taking. Consider what opportunities you'd have AFTER that one. i.e., What doors will the new job open further down the road? When I look at it that way, I have significantly more opportunities now than I would with the one I'd be turning down.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Turning Down a Job Offer - Am I a F**king Idio

                    [ QUOTE ]
                    Kinda sounds like the pro side is better: higher profile/pay etc., get rid of crap boss, lower working hours (the value of that can't be overstated) those are all tangible things. The cons were more insecurity worries etc.


                    [/ QUOTE ]

                    I agree. You never know what is down the road the next couple of years ANYWAY. I'd rather spend today better paid, better treated, and with more time for family.

                    Keith
                    The JCF-er Formerly Known as axtogrind.

                    myspace.com/boogieblockmusic

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                    • #11
                      Re: Turning Down a Job Offer - Am I a F**king Idio

                      "More money, around a 20% raise to start."

                      Sold. More money now = More Savings now = Less workie in future = Retire sooner.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Turning Down a Job Offer - Am I a F**king Idio

                        what line of work are you in?

                        I'd also say go with your gut but my first reaction would say go for it, take the new position. All things aside, salary, job security and whatnot you will be moving up and learning and having new challenges rather than being stagnant and comfortable in your current position. If the new position is eliminated a couple years later you still have added experience to add to your resume. Your wife has the ability to earn income so that should be an ace in the hole [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] You won't get anywhere without taking a risk, I would much rather take a risk and fail than not take a risk and regret it or ponder what ifs.

                        It doesn't matter where you go there will always be politics and difficult people to work with or work for, its part of life so you are going to have to deal with that anyway.

                        I was faced with the same questions years ago, I left my job as director of engineering at a company I worked 11 years for. I had to move my family. My wife is a stay at home mom, capable of making a living but not nearly the coin we are used to so it was a big risk that I took. Money wasn't the motivation factor in my decision, nor was security, it was challenge and the ability to learn new things. It has been 6 years and although I advanced further I have hit a glass ceiling of sorts the work is always changing and challenging (technology is a wonderful thing), plus I have a substantial amount of stock which makes it difficult to leave even if I wanted [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
                        shawnlutz.com

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                        • #13
                          Re: Turning Down a Job Offer - Am I a F**king Idio

                          We rarely regret the things we do, but often regret those we don't. Take a chance.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Turning Down a Job Offer - Am I a F**king Idio

                            [ QUOTE ]
                            what line of work are you in?

                            [/ QUOTE ]

                            Nothing personal, but I'd rather not go into specifics on an internet board. Let's just say I work in public finance. And take the "political" statements literally: I don't mean office politics.

                            Based on what many of you are saying, I think I haven't adaquetly described some things:

                            - Yes, the new job will have some new challenges. But that DOESN'T mean more or better challenges than my current job. Just some different ones that I wouldn't otherwise work on and/or look at them from a different perspective.

                            And, it's quite the opposite of what many are assuming: overall, my current job will likely have more and better challenges. From that perspective, there's probably more personal growth and learning experiences here. Staying is not "playing it safe" or "staying comfortable" where I am. (...Well, maybe for job security. But not from a personal growth perspective.)

                            And, again, money, promotion, and higher profile are NOT a motivation for me at all. I'm doing well already, and would gladly downshift. Think of it this way: My ideal would be to do something like my current job (cool challenging stuff, on the front-line, rewarding), with a better boss & environment, and less hours / more family time. If I could find something like that I would gladly TAKE A PAY CUT to do it. ...Not kidding.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Turning Down a Job Offer - Am I a F**king Idio

                              [ QUOTE ]
                              Finally, a long time ago someone gave me a great piece of advice about changing jobs: don't just think about the job you'd be taking. Consider what opportunities you'd have AFTER that one. i.e., What doors will the new job open further down the road? When I look at it that way, I have significantly more opportunities now than I would with the one I'd be turning down.

                              [/ QUOTE ]

                              I agree with this 100%. In a vacuum I'd always weight future prospects most heavily when considering a new opportunity.
                              Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam!

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