Petition supporting US Marine in Fallujah

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Re: Petition supporting US Marine in Fallujah

These are definitely things to be considered, and I believe at least as strongly as anyone else here in the saftey of our Marines. However, even if he WAS booby-trapped, the booby trap would go off whether he was dead or alive. Shooting him at point blank range is NOT a way to disarm an explosive, trust me, explosives were my specialty. He shot the man out of vengeance. When you have an M16 drawn on someone, it is virutally impossible for them to draw a weapon and fire on you without you shooting them first. I think the man should have been kept at gunpoint until he was 100% secured against any kind of retaliation. When the people of Iraq see this footage, does it make them want to put their guns away and embrace the American troops? No, it gives them incentive to fight to the death. I understand that the insurgents are not fighting according to the Geneva Convention, but part of what makes this nation great is that we can play by the rules and take the high road even when our enemy does not. Instead of saving his own life, this boot lieutenant probably sent 500 more Muslims to pick up arms against the U.S. troops. This is not what you call "winning the hearts and minds of the Iraqui people".

At the same time I agree that he should not be simply strung up and left to dry. He had no business being in the field the day after getting shot in the face, and this is exactly the reason why.

[Jack Napalm]

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I signed it only because I think he will receive more punishment than normal since it's grabbed media attention and now someone has to pay. I could easily have seen myself saying and doing the same thing this Marine did. Would it be right? Hell no. But I would have done it.

Having been over there before and seeing what those savages do to women and children I think they all should be shot. They are savages and should be treated as such. My only regret is I didn't kill more of those lousy bastards. My blood boils to think of the many we had to take as POW's. I know they went back to being sand scum with out any redeeming value.

[khabibissell]

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Hearing this stuff just kills me. Man I feel bad for the guys over there. I'll bet they have to fight under the most ridiculous, restrictive rules of engagement imagineable, fighting a war against a cowardly enemy that does not wear a uniform and has no idea of what honor means. The bleeding hart media will jump all over this, forcing the Corps to take action against that poor kid (Marine). Unless you've been in combat, don't you dare pass judgement. You have no idea what kind of stress they're under... Snipers in buildings... car bombs... I was in the Marines, and I know that all those guys are too well trained and supervised to do something like that without cause... You weren't there, nor were the reporters writing the story for the papers or the talking heads regurgatating it on TV. The only people that know the truth are the accused, his fire team, and the (reportedly) wounded terrorists.

I do not in any way support this war. It was a stupid decision by Bush. Colin Powell resigning says it all. But I support every man and woman serving over there. Semper Fi.

[horns666]

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The dude was simply scared ...scared to lose his life by these sneaky rotten sonsabitches ...

He was scared ...scared for himself , his family ...maybe his wife and children...I don't know if he's married.

he wants to go home...to his family...that stuff happends when you are truly in fear for your life..

Man during a building search with possible mutiple armed suspects and boobytraps...it's just plain survival...it was an accident....Building searches were the scariest thing for me , it's not like TV ..it is not fun , NO it's not cool...you can walk right past a barricaded insurgent / suspect with his sights right on you and you have no idea...it's horrible.

I think with all this freakin' media we know way too much for our own good...this war has become "political"...

I know working under those political conditions ...you are under a microscope constantly..I have even second guessed and jepordized my own safety with a thought of ..."am I going to get in trouble"...it's horrible ...it distracts your decision making in saving your life.

this is a dis-service to our guys ...we may have lost a few of OUR guys by just what I explained....I'm sure we probably have....but the media doesn't harp on that now do they.

I just don't get it...You can not judge this situation unless you are him...none of us are him...how can anyone here say a damn thing against him....unless we know ALL the facts and we don't..and yet some people are just so willing to trow him under the bus...why??!! WHY??!!

He's there ..fighting in that horrible dump ...for us ...and we are way too quick to second guess him...we owe it to him to give him the benefit of a doubt..until they do a full investigation and make a fair ruling.

Until then he MUST get all of our support...in my book.

He's not the enemy here...just try and remember that.

[horns666]

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"but because this kind of behavior is putting other troops in danger by further inflaming tensions"

That is complet bullcrap his actions did no such thing..

This is a media circus that causes all this ridulous turbulence...They play it over and over and over and over and over and over and over again...and you get people like yourself that buy into this crap.

[wulfe13]

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Well you KNOW I signed it!!!

[Reverend Timmy]

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Horns,Your quote" The beast in man should be exercised NOT excorised" rings oh so true.The Marine exercised his right of self preservation.One of the most primal instincts.Does anyone here actually trust the liberal media to tell us the truth........

[Reverend Timmy]

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Oh yeah,I forgot.Bert,Suck It!.......

[blindmuddy]

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Hell yeah I signed it. None of these kids would be in this position if we just opened up the whole can of whoop ass instead of fighting a PC war. We need to turn it up to "11" and get it over with so fewer of ours get hurt.

[Emthrax]

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Terrorists-

You either get them or they get you.
That's how the game is played. And it's played dirty as hell. If a Soldier, Marine, Airman... isn't prepared to deal with that then they need to get the fukk out of the US military.

Just my humble opinion, of course.
Coming from an USAF WIFE. [img]/images/graemlins/headbang.gif[/img]

Em

[horns666]

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Thanks Timmy ..it's a shame that we have some people here in our own country that don't support our brave soldiers.

to me they are part of the problem not the solution ..I believe that these people and the liberal media are no better than the insurgents we are fighting.

They are on their side because there is only two sides to this coin ...either you're for us or against us..that's it

we are at war not only with Iraq but at war in our own country as well..

Hey you can be against the war all you want...but not to support our troops is just plain fukkin' retarded!

They should be embarrased and ashamed....and made an example of openly by the rest of us.

Thanks "Bert" for being part of the problem with this divided country.

[LRGman]

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No thanks. He **** up, he should pay. Not 'cause I give a rats ass about the islamofacist scum in Falluja, but because this kind of behavior is putting other troops in danger by further inflaming tensions.

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Inflaming tensions-they are going to hate us more than they already do. First off the guy shouldn't even be there he should be home with his family for the holidays. Second when's the last time you had people shooting at you, it would tend to cloud my judgement.

Its war, war is ugly. People get killed, he probably actually saved the guy some suffering. Fuckin press never ceases to amaze me the way they have sugar coated this war and the only thing we ever here of is Iraqi's being abused. What about are guys the come home in a box that didn't chose to be shot at. Hey if the fuckers would quit shooting at us no one would die? I wish the media would actually cover the war and let American's see what are guys are dealing with daily. Its about time for the thanksgiving and christmas in Iraq articles. What ever happen to journalism and loyalty to your country. I feel sorry for our troops that they have to be betrayed by someone thinking they have a big story that will promote their career.

[horns666]

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Dude that was awesome!

I think Bert should leave this forum personally...He just shot himself in the foot as far as I'm concerned.

and for good!

[Deneb]

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Don't spare any ammo, we are not taking any prisoners.

I say kill every son of a bitch that supports terror over there. Sleeping or playing dead, he was a threat, he could have had a bomb on him, a gun, ANYTHING.


How can people say they support this country, and its actions, but won't support the people doing it? II may not agree with our reasoning for where we are, but I'll tell you this, if a job is worth doing ,it's worth doing right. We're there, let's kill as many of them, before they kill more of us.

[LesPaulCustom]

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<font color="yellow">Hmmmmmmmmm, interesting responses thus far [img]/images/graemlins/scratchhead.gif[/img]


This petition is kinda screwey in a way, because it will have absoutley NO effect on the outcome of the incident whatsoever other than a "yay/nay" perspective.

Like Mark...I do NOT trust our media to be always 100% accurate or truthful in high-profile cases.

If this was in fact true, IMO the Marine was wrong in killing an unarmed/injured man. Now, we don't know if the Marine saw the captive make a sudden move or jerked like he was going for a weapon either, so at that time it would have been a judgement call (personally, if it were me, and I didn't know what the guy was doing and I felt threatened, oh yeah, Mr 9mm is making a canoe out of Mr Ragheads head [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]).

If in fact the Marine did in fact kill the captive in cold blood out of vengence, he has NO reason being a Marine or any other member of the Armed Forces. We aren't here for that. Is it fair that the others walking the shadows and ignore the Geneva Convention? No, it's not, but that doesn't give us the right to become murderers either.

Military service is based upon a lot of things, but discipline has to be at the top of the list. If you don't have discipline, you have a non-cohesive mob...and that is dangerous on many levels. Killing is a part of our job sometimes, it is not nice, not pretty, dehumanizing and totally mind altering, but we have laws governing us and our conduct which MUST be adhered to. This is NOT negotioble. Murder is murder...regardless of how you want to paint it if in fact that is what happened.

The above opinions are formed from my training, schools, and experience over the last 12 years as a US Marine still on active duty and quite possibly going to the Sand Box in the near future with a Infantry unit once I get moved to LeJeune. I've been shot at, I've killed before (and no, I'm not proud of that, if I could change it I would, but I can't), had a Marine die in my arms in Africa, seen a African "Soldier" turn a kids head into a pink mist at point blank range, the list goes on. We are human, we have feelings, and our religious and sociological backgrounds all play a part into our conscience and who we are as people.

I understand everyone here has their opinions and feelings, whether you've served in the military or not. Americans for the most part are a highly patriotic people who cherish our freedoms and support the military in times of peace and war.
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