Sad day...Dimebag Darrell killed

[atomic charvel guy]

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aww jimmy, you're already here with me. as is everyone else.
sully even has joe perry pulling for me, can you believe that? i just really wanted people too possibly look at a different side of phil. i could be dead wrong on it but i don't think i am. i know i'm not. people like to sell magazines and will print anything sometimes. i really gotta go now, thanks to everyone here who is so kind, i really hope you all have a chritmas that stands out higher than all the others. i'll be back after i'm done getting my ass kicked all over the place.
there's so many of you who i owe. even just today.
keep this place cool, it's all i have left.
tommy

[Jim Shine]

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As a slain guitarist's fans gathered in Texas to honor their favorite performer, a mother mourned in private in Ohio, knowing that her son is responsible for four deaths, NBC 4's Holly Hollingsworth reported.

Thousands of people turned out for a memorial Tuesday for "Dimebag" Darrell Abbott, who was shot and killed Dec. 8 along with three other people at his band DAMAGEPLAN's concert at Alrosa Villa in Columbus. Nathan Gale (photo) committed the murders, and was killed himself by a policeman during the incident.

Meanwhile, funeral plans and the burial site of Gale, 25, of Marysville, are shrouded in secrecy.

Gale's mother, Mary Clark, spoke exclusively Wednesday with NBC 4 about her son and the incident that unfolded last week.

The one thing Clark repeated over and over was her apology to the victims and the families left behind, Hollingsworth reported.

Clark said Gale lives in her memory as a beloved son.

"We were pretty close," Clark said.

Clark confirmed to NBC 4 that her son suffered from a mental illness. She said he was diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic last year when he was sent home from the Marine Corps on an early medical discharge.

"And I still didn't understand the whole thing, but he came home with his medications, and I don't know if he took them or not," Clark said.

Gale hardly talked with his mother about the diagnosis after that, Hollingsworth reported.

"I don't know if he was afraid to, or ... ashamed to, or ... didn't believe it himself," Clark said.

Clark said her son's fixation on the band PANTERA peaked about eight years ago when he was in high school.

"He had it in his head that those were his lyrics," Clark said of PANTERA's music. "And nobody was going to change his mind."

Clark said she told her son it was nonsense. She said he had not brought up the band to her in the years since.

Clark said that while Gale was fixated on PANTERA in high school, Clark thought that problem stemmed from some drug issues, which she believed her son had since worked through.

"It seemed like he ... he put it out of his mind," Clark said. "It seemed like, OK, everything was better."

It was only with last week's shooting that Clark realized everything was not better, Hollingsworth reported.

"Maybe I wasn't looking for it," Clark said. "Maybe I wasn't in tune, you know? I should have been looking for signs, and I didn't."

But to Officer James Niggemeyer, who she says had no choice but to shoot and kill her son, she said thanks.

"I commend that man for saving the lives of others," Clark said.

Perhaps the greatest weight on Clark's heart and mind is what she knows about the handgun her son used in the shooting, Hollingsworth reported.

"When he came home for Christmas the year he was in the service, I was so proud of that man for cleaning up his life the way he did," Clark said. "And I bought him that gun. I'll never, never be able to live that part down."

Clark said Gale's mental health diagnosis came after the gun purchase.

Clark believed giving her son the gun was OK because he was a Marine and because he wanted to have a nice sidearm. She said she did not think he ever carried it.

Clark said she never saw any dangerous side to her son that might have made her try to get the gun back.

Clark has spent the past week searching for answers about why her son would kill, Hollingsworth reported.

"I have such remorse for those families, and I am so sorry that they are losing their loved ones," Clark said. "Their sons, brothers, fathers."

The only beginnings of answers Clark said she can offer come from notebooks she found in her son's apartment this week.

In one, Gale wrote that two things got him to where he is. One was that he "could not see [his] own thoughts".

"And the other is, 'Growing up not knowing my own thoughts,' " Clark said. "This is what I think paranoid schizophrenia really is."

Clark said she continues to struggle with what happened, and wonders what more she could have done.

"You don't know until you're there," she said. "Until somebody's sitting here, with their son, doing something so horrific. They'll never know."

[atomic charvel guy]

Re: Phil Anselmo Not Welcome @ Dimebag\'s Funeral

go to vh1.com
on the front page is an article on anselmo.
he's crushed and wants to disappear. i know how he feels.

[atomic charvel guy]

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http://www.vh1.com/news/articles/149...headlines=true

[Drsracing]

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I really wish this would've brought vinny, rex and phil backtogether, but the things he said in the interveiw about Dime Were kinda stupid, What sucks if this didn't happen you could almost gurrenntee that those words were taken out of context and phil would give anything to take those back now. Let's hope he finds some clairity in life and comes back strong

[lerxstcat]

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Sounds like he's blaming Metal Hammer for what he said, but he is the one who said them. I'm sure he's sad about Darrell now, but he doesn't sound like he takes responsibility for the things he said. No one made him say those things. Anyone who figures sh*t talking is okay, here's a prime example; it could be the last thing you say, then that person's dead, and why should his family and friends believe you didn't mean it? A cynic might say he's just trying to not look like the a$$hole here,
backpedaling on all the stuff he said before.

His mouth may, just possibly, have gotten Darrell killed. That possibility alone means his pain is deserved. He did the metal version of an ayatollah calling a fatwa on an enemy they want dead. He should think about that for the rest of his life. We'll never know if Nathan Gale read it and responded to it or not, but the interview came out only a short time before the murder happened. If Phil hadn't said that crap, then I'm sure at least he would've been invited to the funeral, but as it is he certainly deserved being banned from the funeral, that is his own damn fault.
He has some nerve to snivel about it and then blame the mags for his own words.

Sorry Tommy, I know you empathize with him, but I'm trusting the Abbott family's judgement on this one. They know more than we do and they didn't want him there. It's still Dime vs. Phil and I'm for Dime, not Phil.

[No Use]

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man, this stuff just kills me, but Tommy, brother yet a stranger, the best of luck, i'll be prayin' for you brother. i hope phil...i hope can sometime make peace to himself and figure out what went on and open his eyes...

[j2379]

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thats f'd. but i can see why the family wouldnt want him there. you dont want a fight at a funeral, tho it would be cool to see Zack toss him a beat down.
Tommy, goodluck, its powerful shit, it gets worse before it gets better but IT WILL GET BETTER. i realize i dont really know you but ive lost friends to the stuff & lost alot of shit myself. do whatever you have to do, & i really wish you the best of luck, because its not easy.

[guitarsjb]

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I feel for his mother and family. They are in no way responsible, and are facing a loss of thier own they cannot understand.

[charvelguy]

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I feel for the Mother of Nathan Gale, especially for buying and giving him that handgun. She really should have had a better handle on that after a diagnosis as such.

This whole thing is messed up and tragic on so many levels.

[IrfaanSE801]

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"She really should have had a better handle on that after a diagnosis as such"

I believe she gave him the gun as a gift before he was diagnosed as a nutjob...or whatever it was

[lerxstcat]

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Yeah, how exactly do you ask your paranoid schizophrenic ex-Marine son to give back his handgun without thereby seting him off? The thing is, if she had gotten it back from him, illegal handguns are cheap and plentiful on the street anyway. I do feel badly for her, her grief is the loneliest in this whole sad event.

[charvelguy]

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That is what I mean. After he was diagnosed as such, she should have realized that a paranoid schizophrenic could be a potential danger to himself and to others with a weapon like a handgun. She didn't have to take it back, she could have someone else remove it. I believe it is illegal to even have one with a mental illness as such. Do you take a whole shitload of meds and then drink a sh!tload of alcohol? That is destructive right? Would you allow someone else to do so? Wouldn't you make sure they have the proper care? Wouldn't you eliminate the tools of potential destruction. Say you gave a 10,000 credit line at the liquor store to your brother and it later is found out he's an alcoholic with a degenerative liver disease, do you still allow that account to exist?

Just so you know, I am very sympathetic to mental illness far more than I think the social norm. My Mother is schizophrenic, and at times had been catatonic. It is not an easy illness to deal with. But, with the proper medications, and therapy, it can be treated. Again, I'm not in the family circle or close to first hand knowledge. From what I read of this and the interview, it sounded as tho Nathan Gale wasn't being observed to closely, and I'm not talking 'locked up' that is what they did hundreds of years ago. You do not allow a paranoid schizophrenic to have a gun..that in itself, is a tragic thing. She would have been better off buying him a microphone.

[jacktheshredder]

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I personally don’t blame Phil. We all get upset/mad and say things we later regret. If you’re in or have been in a band you almost always come to words at one time or another - specially when you’re struggling for what ever reason.

The fact of the matter is it was the moron Gale that caused us all this pain. Anselmo didn’t contact Nathan and give him direct or indirect orders. The guy was obviously a deranged lunatic destined for hell.

I feel for Phil – I’m confident that he’s remorseful for what he said and truly will miss Darrell. Phil didn’t need to present his sorrow to the media he could have just as easily went into hiding and refused to comment.

I likewise sympathize with the family and totally comprehend why they wouldn’t want Phil there – this all came about so suddenly they had no time to sort the mass chaos out. Hopefully in the future they can all come to a better understanding and put past disputes behind them in honoring their fallen brother.

[lerxstcat]

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I think she probably worried about how to go about it, and not knowing what to do, didn't do anything. We don't know if she fully understood what the diagnosis meant, since the USMC probably didn't give her intense counseling, she not being a spouse and he being of legal age when he went in.

Also, would the law allow the handgun to be taken from him, before he'd committed a crime,
even diagnosed? I wonder how difficult it might be to get it if he didn't want to give it up? And again, if she had retrieved it, it is very easy to buy a gun illegally if you want one, and those sellers don't run background checks. We can say she should have gotten it back, but the issue is how, and would it have mattered in the end? Well, maybe he'd have killed his mother and family instead.