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    Censorship and Parenting
    Annah Moore

    www.RightSideOut.net
    [12-15-2004]

    This rant is a response to this article: http://www.kvue.com/sharedcontent/fe....2bc90454.html.

    Okay, so WalMart wants to be "family friendly". Fine. WalMart wants to sell rock music. Great! But who decided that "family friendly" equals censorship? Alright, I can understand that there are a lot of bands out there who don't mind their creative efforts being changed in order to sell more units. For example, you say, "Hey, we've got this great album, but the word **** is on it in five different places. WalMart won't let us sell it there because of that. So what should we do?" What would you do?

    I think part of it depends on where you want to make your compromises. You could release a "clean" version of your album that would sell in stores like WalMart. But if you're going to do that, why bother puting the offensive words in the songs in the first place? Why not just record the album without any "offensive" words so you don't have to spend more money having two different versions of the same record manufactured. Fine and dandy! Problem solved for you!

    But what if you believe that these words are necessary in order to properly project your creative point to the listener? Then, because you won't compromise your creativity, you compromise your potential sales. WalMart, or whoever, won't sell it because it's not "family friendly". Problem solved. Right?

    Okay, so my real beef with this issue is not the artistic/financial compromise issue. It touches on an issue that I believe is getting progressively worse in the United States. It's to do with PROPER PARENTING. If you read the article referenced above you would know that this lawsuit against WalMart is driven by the "fact" that mother and father bought this CD for their 13 year old girl and they all listened to it on the way home together only to be offended by the word "****" mentioned in the music. The result was two offended parents who likely took a look at the CD case, seeing no label for "offensive lyrics" and saw their golden opportunity to cash-in: lawsuit against WalMart! Woo hoo! We're going to be rich, dear!

    Wow. What upstanding citizens. What straight-forward and caring individuals. I'm sure their daughter appreciates all the attention she's getting at school now because of this. They sure must care about their daughter because they are going to great lengths to hire a lawyer to sue one of the largest corporations in America over... over... over a WORD.

    If these two parents are so passionately concerned with protecting their daughter from "offensive" words, why then did they not take the CD home and listen to it first, before letting their little girl hear it? I can hear their response now, "But Annah, if the CD only had an 'offensive lyrics' sticker on it... or if the words had been removed from the CD... then we would still be a perfect little family!" Shah. Right.

    So what I think people like these two are saying is that teaching their child isn't their responsibility. It's WalMart's responsibility. It's the record company's responsibility. Obviously, they are placing the blame on WalMart, demanding removal of the CD from store shelves to "prevent other families from hearing it". WTF!? Now they are taking responsibility for protecting other people from hearing the word ****? What the ****!? When did they decide to become the Word Police? And who are they to censor what people hear? Hopefully, the judge who hears this ridiculous case will toss it out. We can only hope.

    This makes me wonder, what do these parents do to their daughter to "protect" her from hearing what they consider "offensive" words? Is it really possible to keep a human being from hearing curse words all their young lives? And if they really could do that, what would the true consequences to the child be? In hiding a child from things, it seems that the child would only be more drawn to the things they were kept from. This is quite common, actually.

    I have a 13-year-old son. I don't hide him from the world, or the world from him. He hears me say "****!" when the word needs to be said. He understands that it is not something that should be said around people he doesn't know, and only on certain occassions. He is a very smart young man. He has a great deal of respect for his parents, his family, his friends, his teachers and anyone who treats him with respect in return. Hearing "offensive" words has not harmed him, nor has it made him better as a person. In fact, I would go as far as to say that it has not affected him in any way whatsoever, other than to offer him more choices of words to choose from when he feels exremely emotional. I grew up the same way and I believe that I am a very good person, responsible and respectable - even though I say (and write) the word **** from time-to-time.


    Offensiveness is in the eye (or ear) of the beholder


    But for two people to demand that a store take a CD off their shelves to "prevent others from hearing it" is taking it to the extreme. They have no right to speak for anyone else. They sure as **** goddamned shitty hell don't speak for me!!!

  • #2
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    well said, Annah. Bravo! [img]/images/graemlins/toast.gif[/img]
    Hail yesterday

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    • #3
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      That's why I love that my band is named DUDEFUCKIN'HELLYEAH! I should sue Wal-Mart because their Christmas decorations offend us Satanists. I smell a class action lawsuit against EVERYONE Bill!! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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      • #4
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        Hey Censorship works. Just ask Hitler, Stalin, and a host of others that have found it useful...............

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        • #5
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          that was better known as 'elimination by exterminating the possible perceived threat' [img]/images/graemlins/eek.gif[/img]

          Been around for a long time, since Cain and Abel to John the Baptist to Jesus to satan getting cast down from heaven nd put into his prison if you want to get bible thumping about it. [img]/images/graemlins/nono.gif[/img]

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          • #6
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            Haha! Thanks.

            You know what's funny? Look at all my words that got censored on this board! That's a bunch of god****, c******ing, f***ing, bulls**t, c**p, ****, ********, ***, too!! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] HAHAHAHAH!

            j/k [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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            • #7
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              "He hears me say "****!" when the word needs to be said."

              I agree with the majority of your post, however, I can't think of single time that with a little thought, just a little effort, a more descriptive word can be used. I'm yet to see a time it as "needed."
              "POOP"

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              • #8
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                I don't think I've ever said "****!" Hey buddy!! Star star star star exclamation point, you muthafucka!!

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                • #9
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                  [ QUOTE ]
                  I don't think I've ever said "****!" Hey buddy!! Star star star star exclamation point, you muthafucka!!

                  [/ QUOTE ] Ace, man You are one star star star star star exclaimation point funny mother star-er exclaimation point [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
                  Scott
                  Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong.

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                  • #10
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                    Hmmm... GERMANDETH - You make a very interesting point which has inspired me to think. I'll have to touch base on this particular issue a little later on.

                    Thanks! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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                    • #11
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                      OMG! I would never say star-star-star-star! I definitely would substitute a different word for that! [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

                      [img]/images/graemlins/poke.gif[/img]<-GERMANDETH

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                      • #12
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                        I tried to read that article, but it wouldn't load. Its okay, I easily found it. [img]/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img]

                        You said it, Annah! [img]/images/graemlins/toast.gif[/img]

                        Parents like these drive me nuts. It's why I don't associate with pretty much EVERY parent at my kid's school. And if you think these parents are bad, ya outta see my neighbors! Nice people, but damn.
                        Their kids are either going to grow up and seriously rebel (smoke crack and get pregnant) or end up on medication to deal with their fukked up heads.

                        I believe in censoring for your kids as they mature, for example, I'm not going to let my four year old son watch porn or see bodies being dismembered in a movie. But I have no problem with him listening to any music we have in the house, which would be viewed as extreme by many families.
                        Maybe there's no difference in that to some. They can bite me. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
                        But I certainly would never push my music or my views on another person, let alone an entire society.

                        WalFart shouldn't be blamed for this anyway. If the parents are so pissed off about it, they should take that up with their daughter. They could laugh it off as a learning experience, "Haha! Oh well! Next time it would be a good idea to learn more about a band before you buy their album!" Or "Whoops! I don't think so, hon. Let's buy you that Kids Bob CD next time."

                        And just because music doesn't have "offensive" language in it doesn't mean it isn't highly suggestive otherwise.

                        I think these parents are hysterical. Just another example of your typical "holier-than-thou" parenting style. And if they're looking to make a buck off of this, then it just goes to show how low they really are in their thinking.
                        Whatever. [img]/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img]

                        Remember that whole vendetta thing a bunch of parents went on against Disney movies?? [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

                        Why do people have to be so damn serious all the time? [img]/images/graemlins/scratchhead.gif[/img]

                        AND I don't shop at WalFart anyway, so I could care less. Fukk 'em. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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                        • #13
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                          I think people make too much out of language and nudity. Sure I don't want them to hear the F-bomb in every verse but c'mon, kids hear this is school everyday and if parents are so naive thinking that they don't, they shouldn't have had kids. The world is what it is, kids have to live in once they are raised. I'd rather instill morals, respect, compassion and equality in my children than protect them from bad language. To some degree its necessary but its kid and age dependant.

                          I'm not too sure about Wal-Mart being strict in all of their stores. My youngest son, who is in the 3rd grade, snuck a Eminem LP through the adjacent check-out line while my wife was checking out an proceeded to pay cash out of his own pocket. He was told he couldn't get it when he asked so he got in trouble later. The clerk didn't ID him or anything, just took his money and sent him on his way. Anyway we found it in his CD player the next day and listened to it and my wife and I both agreed we didn't want him listening to it, if he was 13 that would be a different story but 9 is a little young. We went and got him the clean version and its funny that there are so many blanks in it that it almost like the CD skips or something [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] If he wants to listen to rap that's fine by me, I'm not going to stop him (he likes metal too) I want my kids to have their own identities and they can dress and wear what they want, listen to, have any haircut they want as long as they are respectful to others, listen to me and their mother and do well in school. I'm a minority parent in my hood of status clad yuppies. I want my kids to grow up to be whoever they want to be, not me or their peers. I was raised like this and I did fine, I had hair down to my ass when I was in grade school when other parents asked my mom and dad why they let me look like a hippy they said because that's the way HE wants it [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

                          As a parent is so easy to be over protective and shelter them from everything in society. It is my belief that you have to raise them and prepare them to live in the world the way that it is or will be, not what you want or wish the world to be. I don't need anyone to tell me what is appropriate for my kids to see and hear, that's my job (and the wife's). Censorship is up to parents...
                          shawnlutz.com

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                          • #14
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                            I agree with Shawn. When I have kids, I feel it will be best to teach them to deal with the real world in a healthy way rather than just shield them from it. When I was a kid my dad worked in gang neighborhood, and my parents bought a Victorian era house(which is VERY old out here in L.A.). The house was run down and was in a neighborhood where the cops wouldn't even go. Somewhere just West of Hoover and Adams, I don't remember exactly, I was too young to concern myself with driving back then. My parents fixed it up and resold it. And they hired all the local gang members to do the work. They were decent workers and nice guys, until about lunch time when they'd go shoot heroin and be done for the day. Still, since my parents gave the gang members jobs they were always really nice to me and my family. I was the only white kid that could walk around that neighborhood at all. And I was all of eleven years old. Nobody tagged the house at night either.

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                            • #15
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                              [ QUOTE ]

                              As a parent is so easy to be over protective and shelter them from everything in society. It is my belief that you have to raise them and prepare them to live in the world the way that it is or will be, not what you want or wish the world to be. I don't need anyone to tell me what is appropriate for my kids to see and hear, that's my job (and the wife's). Censorship is up to parents...

                              [/ QUOTE ]

                              VERY well said Shawn. I agree with you. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

                              If you have not given your children the tools they will need to survive in this world today, and shown them what it is to be respectful of themselves and of others, then you have not done your job as a parent. JMHO.
                              Censorship is up to the parents, yes.
                              Sheltering your children completely will not prepare them for what they will eventually meet on their own. And that could prove disasterous.
                              Sure, in this case maybe its just one word. But kids are going to be exposed to "off-color" language. Perhaps its better to accept it and explain (if this is the case in your family), that there are better ways to express your feelings, and then teach them how to do that.

                              But you know... sorry... sometimes there is just no other word you can use but FUKK IT!! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

                              Em

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