One of Bill Z's minions spotted

[guitarsjb]

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...this satanic earth, nothing has changed... At least not here. It is still as lame as messed up as ever... God gave us free will knowing we would turn away from him and become icy cold black evil creatures of death...it is nice to feel my life finally has a purpose and I do not have to end it on this miserable little planet.

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GMS- You have found purpose and joy in your life, and that is commendable. Everyone has their own thing they do, more power to ya.
I only disagree in that I think this planet is a beautiful and magickal place filled with most excellent people and creatures. I have a tremendous amount of respect for this planet we co-exist upon.
Some believe in a Supreme Deity, some don't. And those that believe in a higher power may not believe in the same power as the next guy. But that does not mean that anyone is an evil creature just because they don't accept a particular power.
I believe that all people are inherently good regardless of faith.
Just look around here in the JCF, you see people from all walks of life with a common interest that go out of their way to be supportive or lend a hand where they can. We certainly do not all follow the same religion, if any. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
And that, my friend, is a good thing.

Rock On [img]/images/graemlins/headbang.gif[/img]

Em

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Well said Em!

[horns666]

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GMS...was it certain tragedy that turned you to God?

Christ , God's only begotten son was sent to die for all man's sins so that he may enter heaven ...yes yes I know..I know ...I know ...I know..of course I know..

BUT

What has changed after Christ's alleged sacrifice...Does man still die...yes

Does man still sin ...yes we do..

does man still need redemption to enter heaven before and after JC got involved...the answer is yes.

So what "sin" did he die for...

and what has changed...the answer is absolutely nothing.

and what was his "sacrifice"...he came from heaven...came here on a mission from god...then went back to heaven..his seat was still warm....the seat at the right hand of his father....it was warm.

Lucifer sacrificed a hell of alot more than that...pun intended....just for being exactly what God made him.

So did God make a mistake creating Satan..???

and there was a man without sin ...his name was JOB...look it up...he was perfect and without sin....that's what the book said.

Oh..and God's decision to give man free will is exactly why this world sucks IMO..look around...watch the news ...his free will is all over the place....I was knee deep in his free will...it's freakin' horrible.

But if being a Christian makes you happy then that is great...most of my family and friends are Christians..hell all of them are really..and I love every last hair on their precious friggin' heads....and they love my "evil" ass as well...well since I don't believe in God ...I must be that icy dark cold beast black thingy...cool

I've been a Christian all my life ..born and raised and like you GMS I found my true faith, and myself, and reality....my reality...and that's the only reality that matters to me ...just as you feel the same way..

You have strong convictions for legitimate reasons ..for that alone you earn my respect at the very least...

This whole Satan / God thing ...you can't love one and not slam another , that's called justification...but I never hold someone's beliefs against them...I may debate , disagree , dispute or whatever all day long. That has nothing to do if that person is a decent human being ..at least a credible , responsible and accountable person..

that's all that really matters to me..that's ALL that matters..

But as far as religion is concerned ...as you can see I have much to say...there is not many like myself out there...so I'm used to the debates and the Q & A from all my christian peeps .."fundamental" debates based on the book.

OK gotta go...I'm gonna fornicate with the wife pretty soon , I must prepare , that could take hours..I'm feelin' cocky...pun intended! [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

Bye..

[lerxstcat]

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Christ died so we'd have the CHANCE to enter Heaven, which you know very well, Bill. Since the original sin of Adam and Eve, none who died could go to Heaven, their souls were stuck in Limbo. With Jesus' crucifixion, thatchanged. We're all still born with original sin, but with baptism are able to enter Heaven when we die. NO chance vs. A chance = BIG difference IMO.As for Christianity not being for thinkers, I disagree. I feel I'm as intelligent as anyone else. The Book may be written by men, but a faulty description of a true thing doesn't diminish the truth itself. Regarding bickering among various sects of Christianity, we'll find out someday. Just because I am Catholic doesn't mean I think Baptists are barred from Heaven. It's not for me to judge, nor is it for them. We have intelligence, but the difference between us and God is greater than the difference between us and dogs. Beside the difference in understanding there is the matter of power. God created all and will dispose of all as He sees fit, regardless of what we think and say He should or shouldn't do. If you decide to move, your dog doesn't get a vote or even comprehend the issue.If oblivion appeals to you as the price of doing as you will in life with no prospect of punishment afterward, that's your free choice to make. I prefer to try to live in a way so as not be punished and believe in an afterlife. If I'm wrong it won't hurt me a bit. I'll be in the same oblivion you will be in.If I'm right, I'd rather go to Heaven via Purgatory than to Hell. I don't like the temp over 65.

[VitaminG]

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nicely said, Em. couldn't agree more. (got my DVD, btw. Thank you VERY much. Another fine example of the "giving" people of different cultures, ideologies, ehnicities, countries, religions, etc on the JCF) [img]/images/graemlins/headbang.gif[/img]

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..."God is the will of millions of one watt humans"

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Now, I dig that! Anyone using if for a band name yet?

I could be "Will Million and the One Watt Humans"! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[wulfe13]

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Bill you contradict yourself.... You say you hate God, then you say you don't believe in God, then you say you worship satan who was created by God... wtf? If you worship satan then you believe in God. You know i don't usually get in these discussions but sometimes I do read them and you tend to say the same things all the time... but they are always contradictions! You say that you hate God coz of the things he lets happen to little children? Well who do you think caused those things to happen? Satan rules the Earth till the Lord comes back, then Satan will be bound for 1,000 years and there will be peace on Earth! So who is the bad one here??? Satan is evil... evil is not a good thing! Evil is what is done to innocent people! God doesn't do those things! God is Good....! Just coz you don't agree with what and why God does things or lets things happen, doesn't mean you or anyone else knows better! He is God! He created everything!!!!! Who are we as mere humans to question God's will????

[Ace]

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There is NO WAY I am going to take the time to catch up on this post. Ace out...

[RacerX]

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icy cold black evil creatures of death

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Great band name! Can Ace and I use it for our project? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[VitaminG]

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isn't that one of the lyrics from Polaris? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[Emthrax]

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Now, I dig that! Anyone using if for a band name yet?

I could be "Will Million and the One Watt Humans"! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Howdy G. (you're welcome!)

This is a great idea for a band name and the band could play with Roland cube amps too. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] Or those little Marshall mini stacks you hook to your belt!

Em

[horns666]

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Wulfe ...obviously you haven't been following "my" words all that closely..

the ONLY contridictions that I see are from the Bible that I posted.

as far as I'm concerned it is the basis of the whole Christian belief system that is masochistic..God is masochistic...and blah blah blah...

let me make this simple Wulfe ...I'm speaking "fundametaly" here ..."per the book"...regardless if man screwed up writing that book or not...that book better be close to perfect ...well it is the very foundation of this religion...right??!!

and it's always the bible this or the bible that ....until I expose a mistake / contridiction or worse...then it's ah well.....well man ain't perfect.

and Wulfe...per the book ...Satan was sent here "powerless" like I say all the time...God is the only one that has the power to create (read Exodus) ...so anything that "sucks" or "good" God created ...not Satan....Satan is just a spectator in God's mess...

Satan knows EVERYTHING that God knows....(per the book)...God gave him the light...read all the posts again..

as far as Satan goes...he's symbolic to me ,wulfe...symbolic..he is the "symbol" of what stance I take in the whole Christian scope of things...whether he exist in theory or not..I'm on his side....he's my '"hero" in that book...now you get it.

now is THAT clear now...probably not. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Wulfe whether "I" believe in God or not is not the issue...the issue is that "our" world as we know it.. all revolves around this so called God...our moral structure and laws...everything...which is imposed on me and all that goes against a lot of things that is logical without compromise..without question...and without challenge..

I bring this challenge , these questions and compromises to the table...just as Lucifer did.....oh yeah..."per the book". [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[Thor Von Clemson]

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Racer X- Yes you are welcome to use that for a band name. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
Em- I do not want to make it seem like I am an pessimist or anything. I love life and am very happy to be living despite all the things that are wrong with the world. I have a beautiful girlfriend, a loving (somewhat disfunctional family), and I am getting an education. I can come home from school and watch Iron Chef anytime I want to. I could make quite the long list about all the things that make this world beautiful. Its just sometimes those bad things make everything else seem to damn bleak ya know? BTW I do not want anyone to think I do not like people who are not christian. I work with and go to school with many people of other religions and ethnicities (sp?) They are my friends. Sometimes it is hard to understand what they are saying, but then again I bet they feel the same way about me. Ultimately, it does not matter what size your twanger is! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[Emthrax]

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Moon- Glad to hear it! You are cool with me, bro. [img]/images/graemlins/toast.gif[/img]

Em

[monk]

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Tss, this is what Bill looks like:

(old favourite [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img])

[Drake S.]

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Ron I was going through this thread, & considering how shitty my life has been lately the Marine story just had me rolling on the floor thanks Ron! as for what Moon has written & as for Bill both very interesting reads Myself I don't even care or like myself enough to have time for either the likes of a God or for Satan, but if i was going to choose a side it would be BILLZ. Not satan or any god.
Evil doesn't need a fore front for it's pupose just a will.

[horns666]

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OK , I want to do something that I never have done before...I don't think i have...I want to shine a little light on what makes the Bill Z Bub tick..and why did or do I think the way I do..

I am 40 years old. I was born and raised as the oldest of three. My mom and dad are still married. I went to St. Rocco's (in Little Italy) for my entire elementary education ..my grandparents were from Italy that came here in the 20's...so I am %100 pure breed Italian..yes the very stereotypical Italian...my father was a very important person in the mafia...but now was able to retire without any strings attached..my mom stayed at home...because my dad earned enough $$$ to live on and retire with..

I was a typical "normal" kid..and thru my fathers influence I had a big chip on my shoulder and learned to handle myself very well..I was beating up kids that were two to three grades ahead of me...that were picking on my friends , my big mouthed lil' brother , me ...whatever...so I quickily became a favorite person to go to when you had a problem...I guess I was just following my fathers example without even really knowing what he did....but he was very very strict and had a very cynical view of the world and hated people....that I never understood as a child....why hate people ....people are nice..right.

I went to church every Sunday all my life ...well in my school it was mandated that I must go to church...so I did...during class we had nuns teaching ...who beat me like you would not believe ...whether I derserved it or not..they're were a couple of nuns that I knew ...and still know till this day that they were nuts...and sadistic...everday they took pleasure in beating or degrading kids in front of the whole class.....The whole Catholic Priest molesting thing wasn't a spoken complaint and I had no idea that problem ever existed..nor do I know any kid who made that complaint...if it happened or not...it just wasn'ttaled about...not on the news...nothing...so that was not an issue.

In 8th grade I got my 1st job at a filling station pumping gas and paid for Padua high school tuition ...I didn't want to go to any public schools...because I was pretty sheltered as a kid from black pleople...my father had no respect for them at all and thought they were all sub-human and was put here for his amusement....this is very true.

Then during high school I did all the normal crap ...I wrestled in freshmen year but quit when I discovered pussy..so pussy became the priority in my life ...nothing else...just pussy..and tits....then I discovered music ...then guitar and all that...then weed.

I worked packing bags at Pick N Pay now known as TOPS supermarkets..by the time I was 18 I made approx. $11 an hour which was decent money at the time for an 18 year old kid...

when I turned 18 I paid rent at my Mom and Dad's house...$100 per month...I thought that was an anal rape at the time...but I didn't complain...where else can you live for $100 a month with your laundry done and hot meals..

I was able to save a few thousand dollars buy the time I was 22 ...I put a down payment on my first house and moved in with my new wife...Valerie.

At this time I qit Pick N Pay and started to work downtown at Blue Cross Blue Shiled as a shipping and recieving supervisor..the people treated me very nice there and kept giving me raise to keep me happy ...and I busted ass...but I didn't mind...it kept me strong and healthy anyway.

When I worked downtown this was my exposure to working with black people ...I never never grew up anywhere around them , never went to school with them and never worked with them until this time...

I was humble and made friends quickly ...black people are different in many ways...as far as culture goes...but that didn't mean in a bad way...I grew to understand that color did not make someone "sub-human"..and I had fun at that place...lot's of fun..

At the the age of 26 I made a lot of friens with the Police that worked part time at Blue Cross that convinced me to take the civil service test...they always told me that I would fit right in and love the job...so it did.

I got on with no probs...at first I loved the job...you know all the cool stuff you see on COPS...I did all of that...and then some...I was assigned to the largest and worst district in the City. My District was %100 black people...the only white guys you would see there are the police.

During my time on the force I grew more and more discontent with people in genral. All I heard was their whining and moaning over the silliest things...to the worst case , bloodiest scenarios you can imagine..

I got to really know "people"..in everyway possible...There was no problem that I didn't hear...when your a cop in a ghetto ...a very busy and violent ghetto..you are a social worker , a marriage counselor , a lawyer , a referee , a taxi cab , a EMT , and everyday in the ghetto a possible "murderer"...I was aloud to take a life....no other profession in the world shhares that kind of responsibilty..

Like I said ..I really got to know people not only the people I supposed to serve but the people I work with as well...my peers.

A Lot of cops are very cynical , depressed , devorced , alcoholics and either they get hurt , killed or eat their own gun...I lost 10 friends that ate their guns..10 ...10 people.

I have got stuck with needles , stabbed , spit on , verbally abused on a daily basis (you're a "racist" whenever you arrest someboby black) it doesn't matter if they beat their wife , shot a friend during a card game , or robbed someone...nope...the only reason why they are going to jail is because I was a racist....the black cops didn't have that problem...but that had their share of their own abuse..

I believed in God all my life...when my Grandma was sick I prayed to him...when my wife was sick...I once prayed to him..just like everyone else prays...I prayed.

One day in early 1992 I had a assignment to investigate a dumpster emitting a foul order behind a fast food place...when I arrived as I opened the car door the smell...that very familar smell hit me in the face..I knew what that smell was...before I got to the dumpster I already called for other zone cars and a road boss.

I looked into the large BFI dumpster that was neary full and saw nothing other than garbage...but my gag refexes were in full throttle ans I just beathed tru my mouth so that I could investigate further withoput getting sick..I climbed into the dumpster...and in the corner I saw a hode of flies all gathered on a pile of newspapers...I took an object and pushed aside the paper to discover a plastic bag...I took that object it was a stick or whatever ..and lightly poked the bag just to discover a slighty decomposed baby.

From getting to really know how humans work and my new found discovery it was right there and then that I became convinced there was NO god..

I find that experiences such as these usually make men...nuts....drunks...or very very very religious...there is a lot of born again Christians on the force...my force anyways..and I'm still extremely close to many of them.

I did some soul searching I guess...and like most I turned to the bible ...for comfort...for answers..for anything...

and I found what I was looking for...it confirmed my all suspicions , anxieties and answered the very questions that I never understood as a Christian..

it blatantly explained that that child in the dumpster was God's fault and his only...Satan could no longer be his or anyone elses scapegoat because he was made absolutely powerless...the only "power" that god gave him was "knowledge" abd that God given "knowledge" bit him in the ass.

It seems I have some of this forbidden "knowledge"...and it just made me a very bitter and sad person knowing that my once beloved God..was responsible for everything that man does...free agency put that baby in the dumpster...free will brings us to war...free will makes man murder , rape and steal...that power of choice was given to man by God...and NOT Satan

In That fukkin' book...Satan was against free will...I'm against free will....free will should be a priveledge and not a right to some...for most.

the thing that made me turn my back on God...is that he made human garbage and lot's of it..

I HATE man...and to hate man is to hate God...because he is in his own likeness..

So my father was right in many ways..People do suck! I live my life by this very rule now..."Treat others the way the treat you"...meaning ..everyone is an ass hole until they prove you otherwise...then once they establish that trust...I can befriend them...otherwise...fukk off and please by all means ..die

I owe them NOTHING!

So the bottom line is ...it's all BS...but as far as I'm concerned...The Bible and the whole christian faith told me That God is NOT perfect..Jesus is weak...and Lucifer..."the true hero" , "the underdog" in that fairytale is the knight in shining armor that sails off into the sunset...for standing up to God for what he knew and I know was right....per the book.

The very first thing Satan did to get back at God and to proove him wrong was tempting Eve..God is "all knowing" but didn't see that coming...he didn't see alot of things coming...because it's all BS....Man is and always will be full of crap....and I think that God and his beloved likeness is garbage.

Now does that clear things up a little bit..

and just because I called God "garbage"...doesn't mean I called you garbage...like I said my whole family believes in that dick no matter what I tell them...but that's their problem. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

If I were to get made everytime Satan get's slammed....well jeez...just think of it....Satan is the bad guy in every freakin' religion...That's funny there is more than 2000 gods out there and just one Satan..

OH BTW...God created disease...why , I don't know...why don't you ask him....he won't talk to me. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

OK my wife's callin' me again...so screw all the spellin' errors...you got the message.