Major Attitude problem!

[RR05xx]

Re: Major Attitude problem!

For what it is worth, I will echo what Charvelguy and Shawn had to say, particularly about you maybe needing to put your own band together.

[jgcable]

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Sounds to me like you walked in and out a little over confident.You also mentioned that you have been playing for 18 years and that the bassist was 23 years old. Hmm... that must make you around 30+ so maybe the age gap affected the chemistry. Chops does NOT = chemistry or a good fit in a band. Being humble, polite and not overbearing on your audition is important. Remember, its their band, not yours. Demanding perfection on cover tunes and offering advise on other guys auditioning was out of line on your first audition with the band. Once you get to know the other bandmates you can slowly flex your muscles but until then you are better off either not joining if you see instant problems or just keeping quiet for a while.

[sully]

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agree with jgcable.

[lerxstcat]

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Lots of good advice here, Tom covered it pretty comprehensively and jg iced the cake.

Often "right" and "wrong" are less important going in than establishing that chemistry. AS was said, sounds like their old guitarist is in your old band; who knows what was said? They may have been told your were fired as a troublemaker, rather than quit as you did. They are certainly not telling people you quit because they couldn't cut it, so there's another story going around most likely. Don't worry about that, nothing you can do about it,
but don't reinforce your rep as a guy who tries to come in and take over. ou have to establish the bond first. Sounds like you came off as auditioning THEM, which I would not necessarily like myself, nor would you if you were auditioning someone for your band, no mater how talented they were. They don't want someone coming in and taking over anymore than you do.

With few musicians in your area, if you want to play out, you will HAVE to compromise. Your disability probably prohibits you from moving or joining a touring band, unless those things have improved for you in the last year.
Tend to your own playing, don't brag on your playing or say you're a better rhythm p[layer than the shredders, it looks petty. Just make the best of an imperfect situation, or give up on playing in a band. T's obvious from your posts on the subject over tha past couple of years that:

1. Not many players in your area.
2. You're stuck there due to disability and financial problems.
3. When you do find a situation your overly
high expectations given 1 and 2 above are
causing you to ask for what's not coming.
4. Getting tossed, eased out or rejected by
bands that are lesser players is rough on
the self-confidence.

Unless you can and will relocate, deal with it as it is, or resign yourself to not deal with it at all. If those guys wanted to take lessons they'd be down at the music store, not in their garage. They want to have fun and get laid, and you're trying to crack a whip. Your ideals are great, but you have no talent
pool there with the same ideals. They want to party, and any players who want to be pro have left the area for greener pastures, or will as soon as they're able.

Maybe home recording on your computer is the thing for you to do. You'd be in control from A to Z.

[Ace]

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No offense, but if I auditioned ANYONE and they just came in and told me that we sucked and they knew how to run the band for us and would teach us, they'd be walking out with a black eye. Don't take that the wrong way, I am not saying your a dick. But from what you described, you may well have came across as one.

[Tetsuo]

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Hey ACE I am auditioning for your band but be warned your VHT sucks and MY engl will crush it...

[charvelguy]

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wear a helmet [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]..with a face shield. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[lerxstcat]

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I think when Ace swings that VHT by its power cord, the helmet won't help! YIKES!!!

[Ace]

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No, wear earplugs!! My VHT will blow your ENGL right out of the ether!! Tone aside, I've just got the sheer POWER to knock walls down with that puppy!! There's another band that practiced at the house right before us last week. They had two guitar players, a bass player and Alex played drums for them. Two 100W half stacks and a 800W bass amp. When they finished I fired up the VHT and I ALONE was louder than the last band!!

[Tetsuo]

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I had a 2150 for a while and damnit you are right no doubt that thing has beastly power it was nice too cuz I was running 2 cabs with different ohms... Sweet poweramp

[Madness]

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I just had a somewhat simaler occurance w/my cousin. See he is 35 and I am 27. As a kid growing up, I idolized him and thought he was such an amazing player. Well we decided to put together a guitar tandem and started working on some original stuff. It worked like this, we would bring eachother ideas and those ideas would end up either staying the same, if they were "good enough" or they would get some sort of a variation treatment. Basically we wrote about 6 songs, together combining riffs that both of us come up with either seperately or toghether. well over the last year I found that I was practicing alot more than he was and soon realized that what I once thought of as "amazing" was nothing more than guitar "tricks". I slowly found my talent surpasing his and it didn't seem like he was putting the same amount of effort into the project that I was. Through all of this he would still try to "teach" me stuff that I already knew, like his talent was far superior to mine. All of his soloing and riffing started to sound exactly the same...same chords and same scales. The songs that he brought to the table consisted of 2 different riffs mashed together with no variations on any of them, throughout the whole song. Now, my cousin was once a real coke head and is constantly stoned...not that I really care about the weed but, It would take us 3 weeks to write the basic riffs to a song.(weekend practices). I could see the effect that all the drugs had had on him over the years. These practices would last about 4 hours on a Sat. & Sun. I would literally have to show him the very parts that he himself had just written. There really was no excuse for this. Well, it got to the point where he would bring ideas to the table and it was no different from the last or it was a big rip-off of something I had already come up with. It all came to a head one day and he blew up at me and said nothing he could do was good enough for me, when in reality I was giving him constructive critisism in a very nice way. On top of that he thought everything that he had come up with was brilliant. I just basically told him after that to bring more complete ideas (he was always saying he had other ideas for the songs, but would never actually show me any, which to me sounded like a cop out). He really had alot of potential but, was unwilling to even pick up a guitar during the week to practice. Now we are family and we should be able to give eachother constructive critisism without making a big deal out of it. By the end, the last 3 songs that we wrote were about 80%/20% mine. He probably thought that I was sounding arrogant by telling him to add some more variation to his ideas. I know how you feel but, I guess you just have to find musicians that are close to your level or just keep your mouth shut and deal with it. Sorry, not trying to highjack your thread, just sharing my expirience with you.

[xenophobe]

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Chemistry IS the most important aspect of bandmates. Talent is important, but to various levels secondary to not important , as long as promise is there.

I agree with much of what Charvelguy said in his first post. You excluded yourself from them by trying to school them in how a band should work.

And if you were so much overqualified, that's intimidating to a lot of people and alone could have made them decide you weren't the right member for the part.

At an audition, you're better off shutting up and just playing, and then listening to what they have to say, as opposed to telling them what you want. You are auditioning for them, not them for you, and you did come across in your posting as being well above them. If you actually treated them like that, they were probably really put off by it.

Anyways, good luck finding a band. Luckily after I left my last band, I found the perfect match just a week later. I'm a bit older than them, and it was a small issue in the beginning, but the chemistry was there, and so was my talent level. It is also nice that the drummer thinks I have the best death metal bass tone he's ever heard. heh. Good luck to you!

[morbid]

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After being in a band that basically wasted my time and sucked to the point that I quit, I have developed this attitude where I know what I want and I'm not going to settle for anything less, and I'm not gooing to just let guys waste my time...
...The other guy was auditioning before me , had no experience in a band and hardly any lead ability...
...but he had no timing, and he didn't play well together with the drummer and the bassist...
...I quickly made it a point to let the other guys know, how I felt and told them that it would take about 3 weeks for me to really tell if this guy could work out or not...
...Plus none of them had any vocal ability at all. So I told them that they may want to try and find another rytyhm guitarist with some back up ability , cause I have some and would need someone else for the kind of stuff they were doig.
...I also let them know that I knew how the bass parts and drum parts go to all this stuff and wanted them to play it right cause I had just gotten out of a band that sucked cause they played whatever they wanted to...
...I totally blew through the stuff they gave me and nailed everything.
...I go and nail all the stuff in my half hour audtion and they had more chenistry with a guy who could barely play my own worst enemy AND Played Kryptonite wrong!

What the F***K???!!!!

...So I ask, is it wrong for me to have this attitude...
...I know how this kind of stuff goes and if you don't...
...I want to show you so we can do it right?...
...I mean they are talking about playing Bon Jovi and they have no backup vocals...
...I was willing to work with them cause they seemed pretty cool and had some talent, with the exception of the other guitarist...

...So am I a D**K head or did htey just make the wrong desicion( SP ,Ron [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] )...?
...:scratch: I'm cluless.

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Excuse me my friend but... you should be a producer...
Can you see?!:
...he don't, ...he can't, ...they don't... I...I...I...ME! [img]/images/graemlins/notworthy.gif[/img] Your Attitude... [img]/images/graemlins/eviltongue.gif[/img]

You sound like the early Dave Mustaine.
The Mustaine/Metallica story. [img]/images/graemlins/fart.gif[/img]

[OnlineStageGear]

Re: Major Attitude problem!

Hey Rick. Maybe you blew them away and they wanted someone around thier skill level. The only thing I wouldpoint out is the statement you made of:
"I also let them know that I knew how the bass parts and drum parts go to all this stuff and wanted them to play it right cause I had just gotten out of a band that sucked cause they played whatever they wanted to."
I guess that could go a couple different ways. I am currently going through a situation with my band. The other guitarist won't let anyone change anything with his songs and insists on changing everything I write.

Matt

[lerxstcat]

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Matt, tell him if his stuff can't be changed, your stuff can't either. Or is he in charge?
If he's not the leader, let him know it works both ways. If he IS the leader, then you have to decide if it's worth it or not. How do the other members feel about it? Whether they agree with him or not may make a difference in what youdecide as well.