Definition of Torture

[Overlord]

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Push the fukkin button, Dubya.

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I couldn't agree more! [img]/images/graemlins/toast.gif[/img]

[YetAnotherOne]

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Illegal combatants are subject to summary execution. They're damn lucky we treated them so well.

[StukaJU87]

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Fuck those terrorist scumbag inmates where they breath. Where did all these limp wristed liberals hide while OUR captured soldiers in EVERY war were mistreated and tortured?

I could give a rat's ass about this towel headed scum. They should have given our guys medals instead of Court Marshalls. But the liberal media made that impossible. Fuggem.

[txcharvel]

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Anyone who feels those terrorists were mistreated by being chained to a bed and made to wear their (or someone's) Fruit Of The Looms on their face or be humiliated by women or other men should be shot dead and pissed on. Fuckin pinko sympathizer commie bastards.
I guess America deserved 9-11-01, huh?

Push the fukkin button, Dubya.

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Amen brotha Newc [img]/images/graemlins/headbang.gif[/img]

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[SeventhSon]

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Push the fukkin button, Dubya.

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On who? The Saudi's? [img]/images/graemlins/scratchhead.gif[/img] Most of the 9/11 terrorists and most of Al Qaida were/are Saudis. Certainly you don't mean on the Iraqis...

[charvelguy]

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I'll mail ya a shamrock shake sully, it'll just not look to pretty when it arrives.

[Badseed]

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Sully used to live in hollywood, where giving someone a shamrock shake meant somthing totally different, and usually involved a trip to the doctor. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[jjw]

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lol at pushing the button!some of you yanks need to put down your jacksons and read some fucking papers!
As for the torture,well the sexual stuff is bang out of fucking order-sounds like you boys have a fucking pink brigade out there who become bullies when people are in chains..man its tough,seeing as they saw the heads of some of the feckers they capture its not surprising they get rough treatment sometimes.
And for the record Bush is a Fn (unt [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[atomic charvel guy]

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[Cleveland Metal]

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I'd say the whole middle east really... It would save us a lot of trouble, as well as saving them a so much trouble building all those carbombs...

[Badseed]

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And for the record Bush is a Fn (unt [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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Yeah? Well i dont see him walking around in NAZI UNIFORMS.

[guitar geek]

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wow... what a thread... Sometimes I have the idea the media has a lot of control, but the USA soldiers are treated pretty well and with great leniency compared to the Dutch SFIR soldier Eric O, former member of the dutch special forces BBE. He fired a warningshot in the ground, the bullet bounced and killed the Iraqi asshole who was plundering a convoy or something like that. He was arrested and put to tryal in the Nethelands for MURDER, talking about undermining your forces hit potential. He was released but that fight is not over yet.
a couple of weeks ago a newschannel, I thought NBC came with some footage of a patrol in after a fight and in a room where a couple of bodys lay one Iraqi guy was still alive and he was shot in cold blood by one of the members of the patrol. it seemed to me (mostly because of what the soldier said and the lack of action from the Iraqi guy) that the soldier had to revenge something or someone, or at least had something to deal with and turned that on the guy on the floor. anyway, he was relased from courtmarshall because he acted in self defense. according to the soldier the guy seemed to attempt to draw a gun, afterwards he was clearly not carrying.

my point here is, that the boundaries where the US soldiers are acting in, are rather loose if a guy like that is not courtmarshalled and convicted. What happened in the Abu Graib prison is simply stupid, why? The allies who are figting in Iraq are supposed to do that for the Iraqi people, to liberate them from the dictator Saddam and to put an end to the production or possible deploy of weapons of mass destruction. That was, as far as I remember, the couse of the war, or I might have missed one... In point 2 the inspectors failed to proof even the existence of these so called weapons of mass destruction and I am no expert, but the claims of both Blair and Bush seem to be at least exaggerated.
obviously the only point left is to bring peace, human rights etc etc to the poor inhabitants of the former by Hussein ruled country and if you want to keep up that appearance, you should behave in a way that support that claim and obviously those guys who we are talking about did not... so courtmarshall seems to me as proper; they damage the last of the goals of this entire campaign, and I don't give a ratts ass for excuses like pressure and orders and the grief of losing friends;
1 and 2 are conisered ethical and ethics are beyond the orders from your superiours, Ich habe es nicht gewusst and Es war ein Befehl are words we all know and their effects are also nothing new and the guys who defended themselves that way were also prosecuted in Neurenberg by the wartribunal. I am not comparing these two cases with the crimes of Nazi Germany, but only stating that those arguments were considered bullsh!t by the US government and the US lost considerably credit by the actions of those "soldiers" and should be consistent in its rulings and should rule by that standard, for both enemy and own forces.
2. that is the painful thing of being a soldier. I imagine most soldiers are professionals, not all, but most of them. they chose to be a soldier, signed a contract and should behave PROFESSIONALLY in a situation like that, losing friends, or comrades or whatever, they CHOSE to be in the army of one of the most warfaring countries in the world, so bear the conserquences.

just an European point of view

Harrald

[RR05xx]

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While I am a diehard Python fan, that was the absolute dumbest allusion to the Iraqi prison "scandal" I've seen yet.

#1 - These prisoners were mostly known terrorists who were fingered by their own stoolies.
#2 - The rest were known terrorist supporters and collaborators who were also fingered by a stool pigeon.
#3 - They were not US Citizens by birth or naturalization, and have no Civil, Legal, Moral, Human, or Miranda Rights which the US Constitution might protect.

They were made to feel "less like men". Gee, maybe we shoulda just doused them with jet fuel and set them ablaze? Maybe pushed them out of 45th story windows? How about slitting their throats with box cutters? Or better yet, putting them in a plane and crashing them into a building.

Anyone who feels those terrorists were mistreated by being chained to a bed and made to wear their (or someone's) Fruit Of The Looms on their face or be humiliated by women or other men should be shot dead and pissed on. Fuckin pinko sympathizer commie bastards.
I guess America deserved 9-11-01, huh?

Push the fukkin button, Dubya.

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+ fukin 1!

[VitaminG]

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My definition of torture: Nirvana radio marathon

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farkin' A!!

BTW, great post Harrald [img]/images/graemlins/toast.gif[/img]

[morbid]

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I found this on another forum.

This won't hurt much

Terry Jones
Wednesday June 16, 2004
The Guardian

I've been trying to find out where my son goes after choir practice. So I have been applying a certain amount of pressure on my son... I simply put a bag over his head and chained him to a radiator. I put a bag over her head and chained her to the radiator. I tried starving him, serving him only cold meals and shaving his facial hair off, keeping him in stress positions, not turning his light off, playing loud music outside his cell door... I currently have a lot of my son's friends locked up in the garage, and I'm applying electrical charges to their genitals and sexually humiliating them in order to get them to tell me where my son goes after choir practice. I'm going to round up all the children in the neighbourhood, chain them and set dogs on them. I might accidentally kill one or two - but I won't have intended to - and perhaps I'll take some photos of my wife standing on the dead bodies, and then I'll show the photos to the other kids, and finally, perhaps, I might get to find out where my son goes after choir practice.

· Terry Jones is a writer, film director, actor and Python

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Terry, my friend, it's allright but, I think you forgot some things... You could move Fidel Castro with him to his room, lock it up with loud Twisted Sister music, or send him to Iraq to "protect democracy", or just tie him to a chair with a TV in front of him with the General Hospital soap opera from it's first chapter... [img]/images/graemlins/eviltongue.gif[/img]