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  • #16
    Re: Techies....do you hate Microsoft?

    Many hate MS because of their questionable business practices. Despite their constant (ab)use of the term "innovate", they have innovated very little, and invented almost nothing of value themselves. Once they steal an idea, they then exploit their monopoly power to drive the actual innovators out of business. The general corporate culture at MS seems to foster poor ethics -- they even tried to cheat at the anti-trust trial by submitting edited video they claimed was a live shot, for which they were luckily caught. Unfortunately despite being ruled a monopoly, they got away with what amounts to a slap on the wrist.

    Many web developers hate MS because they constantly ignore standards. Website developers must develop around IE's quirks, usually at the expense of other browsers. MANY sites out there today still work properly only with IE because of this.

    Many users hate MS because their security practices are abysmal. A new PC hooked up to the internet will be infected with one or more worms/viruses usually before you can download the patches required to make it immune. As a result people who buy PCs also need to invest in expensive anti-virus, anti-spyware, and firewall software. Instead of expecting software to "just work", MS has created an environment where users are expected to jump through hoops and invest extra time and cash to get a computer that functions reasonably.

    Luckily continued improvement in Linux/Open Source environments and the lowering prices for Mac systems may finally challenge the MS status quo.

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    • #17
      Re: Techies....do you hate Microsoft?

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      Many users hate MS because their security practices are abysmal. A new PC hooked up to the internet will be infected with one or more worms/viruses usually before you can download the patches required to make it immune. As a result people who buy PCs also need to invest in expensive anti-virus, anti-spyware, and firewall software. Instead of expecting software to "just work", MS has created an environment where users are expected to jump through hoops and invest extra time and cash to get a computer that functions reasonably.

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      All good points, but in fairness to Microsoft you have to remember that IE is targeted more than other browsers. The hijackware writers are going for maximum damage. They know that there are more people surfing with IE, so that's where they put their energy. If Netscape was the popular browser, then Netscape users would be taking the brunt of the attacks.
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      • #18
        Re: Techies....do you hate Microsoft?

        Thanks for all the interesting opinions everyone. I think most of you are in the same boat as me...in that I have a love/hate relationship with Microsoft products.

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        • #19
          Re: Techies....do you hate Microsoft?

          Thats whays there should always be more than one of everything. This prinicples applies for web browsers as well.

          IE is no longer THE main web browser because of its security issues. Especially when the government came out and said don't use IE because of it sercurity issues. Firefox is the better web browser an option users didn't have untill IE/microsoft dropped the ball. Thunderbird is a better e-mail program than outlook express and microsoft outlook.
          Thunderbird and firefox are mozilla software which is rooted in opensource. Most all opensource OS's are packaged with firefox and thunderbird software.

          I tell all our clients stop using IE and outlook and start using Firefox and Thunderbird. Those that do, don't have near the problems in comparision to before as IE and outlook users. Those that don't listen and still choose to use IE and outlook, those uses are the bulk of the calls and will continue to be at a higher risk.
          Peace, Love and Happieness and all that stuff...

          "Anyone who tries to fling crap my way better have a really good crap flinger."

          I personally do not care how it was built as long as it is a good playing/sounding instrument.

          Yes, there's a bee in the pudding.

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          • #20
            Re: Techies....do you hate Microsoft?

            I have to write an essay about Microsoft and all these opinions are very helpful (: thanks
            "I hate these filthy neutrals! With enemies, you know where they stand. But with neutrals... who knows? It sickens me!"

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            • #21
              Re: Techies....do you hate Microsoft?

              I'd just like to thank Mr Bill for giving me the opportunity to provide a good life for myself and my family... Thanx Bill!

              Oh and the guitars!!! Thanx Bill!
              The toys? Thanx Bill!
              And don't forget about all things green... Thanx Bill!

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              Love/hate, yeh yeh, whatcha gonna do?

              Now where's our resident Hippie?

              Pat

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              • #22
                Re: Techies....do you hate Microsoft?

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                I'd just like to thank Mr Bill for giving me the opportunity to provide a good life for myself and my family... Thanx Bill!

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                Amen brother. MSFT has helped me feed 3 kids and buy more guitars than I thought I'd ever have... [img]/images/graemlins/toast.gif[/img]

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                • #23
                  Re: Techies....do you hate Microsoft?

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                  Now where's our resident Hippie?

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                  Right here.

                  To those bashing, it's your right - go you.

                  To those not bashing, I'm glad to hear it.

                  As for the security issues in IE, well that's because it's the richest target for hackers. Don't any of you kid yourself into thinking the alternatives are *technically* more secure - they are simply not being targeted.
                  I want REAL change. I want dead bodies littering the capitol.

                  - Newc

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                  • #24
                    Re: Techies....do you hate Microsoft?

                    Bert, most of what you said is the standard Slashdot wannabe hacker blithering nonsense I see all the time. I do take specific and personal exception to this statement:

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                    The general corporate culture at MS seems to foster poor ethics...

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                    Dude, that's just pure BS. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
                    I want REAL change. I want dead bodies littering the capitol.

                    - Newc

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                    • #25
                      Re: Techies....do you hate Microsoft?

                      I'm a Network Engineer/Admin at work..

                      My only caveat...

                      server software costing an arm and a like, like Exchange, whereas other products which I like more and offer just as much functionality (Merak Mailserver!!) cost a FRACTION.

                      honestly, why should I pay 80 bucks per client for Exchange, when Merak Mail is only like 400 bucks for unlimited users!?

                      Also, XP's Service Pack 2 has completely incapacitated 2 office computers, making me reformat/ghost... easy fix, but still a pain in the butt..

                      ps. I love SAMBA.


                      my 2 cents.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Techies....do you hate Microsoft?

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                        All you guys just wish you invented what Bill Invented.

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                        (cough, cough) You mean "what Bill stole from Steve Jobs"... (cough, cough)

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                        • #27
                          Re: Techies....do you hate Microsoft?

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                          All you guys just wish you invented what Bill Invented.

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                          (cough, cough) You mean "what Bill stole from Steve Jobs"... (cough, cough)

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                          (cough, cough) You mean "what Steve Jobs stole from Xerox"... (cough, cough)
                          I want REAL change. I want dead bodies littering the capitol.

                          - Newc

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                          • #28
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                            • #29
                              Re: Techies....do you hate Microsoft?

                              LOL, I get a good chuckle every time I hear the Bill bashing. All from the begining everyone cried foul becuase he put IE in Windows for free (A better Mouse Trap) and people were forced to have Windows on their PC's, but if you go back in time to when all the complaints were first laucnhed, there really was no comperable operating system that would even remotely do what Windows did. OS2 was a joke and Linux was far from a novice friendly OS.

                              It could have been a whole lot worse. Can you imagine if he bundled Office as well as a decent Photo Editing program with windows? What about if he incorporated Anti-Virus with windows ? He could have done a whole lot more with Windows to make it so a whole lot more of the companies that we know today not ever exist.

                              Ya know, after all the law suits and regulations making PC manufacturers free to place whatever OS on their machines they see fit, I can't help but seem to notice that everyone still puts Windows on thier PC's.....

                              Matt

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                              • #30
                                Re: Techies....do you hate Microsoft?

                                I guess my libertarian leanings come out when a topic like this is raised. Personally, I feel that if Bill Gates wants to include the entire Office suite, virus protection, Web browser, photo editing, multimedia, and every other piece of software known to man with every copy of Windows, then sell the entire thing for $10.00, it's HIS BUSINESS!

                                The whole "antitrust" thing just cracks me up. The last time I checked, this is still the United States of America and Bill Gates (or anyone else) should be free to market whatever product he chooses. In short, let the market decide. If consumers want to run Linux, they're free to do so. The same goes for BeOS, FreeDOS, MacOS, or whatever. They're also free to throw their PC out the nearest window (no pun intended) and get an abacus.

                                True Story: I was a dedicated Netscape user for years. After Netscape sued Microsoft, basically saying, "Wah! Wah! He's including a browser in Windows!," I switched to Internet Explorer just out of sheer spite. I'm serious. If your product can't compete on the open market, the it deserves to die a slow, agonizing death. Period. Don't force the price of the more popular product to be artifically raised because of a stupid lawsuit.

                                Another strike against Netscape was the fact that AOL bought them. I hate AOL with a flying passion.
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