The "Big One" at Talladega

[LRGman]

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They shouldn't let johnson drive. He wrecked everyone twice if you watch it in slow motion. He cut over bound everyone up then little E hit the 4 from behind.He was responsible for the big one and the one at the end. Also the last two weeks prior he has caused wrecks.

Gordon is talented. I remember when he got divorced everyone(media) was saying he was washed up cause he was on a winless streak. Usual media BS trying to make a story. I am more of a Stewart fan myself.

[taxistationary]

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I didn't see the wreck, but I heard about it. My girls dad is a huge Dale Jr fan. I just love it when I see a bunch of rednecks sitting around and arguing who's got a better car or can drive better...Gets me everytime...

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Dale Sr was a poor driver. He was the guy in hockey that starts a fight with better players just because they're better. He would bump someone for trying to pass him, or that he did not have the skill to pass.

As for Gordon bangin chicks like a rock star, while I don't follow NASCAR it is my understanding that he's got a hot wife and is a dedicated Christian.

Maybe it's just his skill that wins him the races? Maybe if someone else out there had better driving skills he wouldn't be on top?
One thing I do like about NASCAR is that cheating can get you killed. Dale Sr learned it, and a lot of others who race in his name and under his influence/inspiration are going to find that out as well. Unfortunately they'll probably end up killing a skilled driver like Gordon when they go out.

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Dale Sr. won seven championships. He was no poor driver. Even a majority of the guys that hated him will admit to that. In fact a whole lot of very knowledgable people believe he could have been the greatest driver ever. Of course that is subjective.

Bending the rules (Cheating) is a weekly occurence in NASCAR. Nearly every team does it. All you have to do is look at all the confiscated equipment displayed by the NASCAR hauler every week to see how much of it there is going on.

Earnhardt didn't get killed because he was cheating unless you consider the blocking that was going on cheating. If it is then every multicar team is cheating, because they all do it and have been doing it for years.

BTW, I have seen Gordon block and bump and run more times than I can remember.At times he acts just like SR. did. He just has a differently crafted image that doesn't play up those incidents.

[Hotrod]

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Why do people keep insisting that Gordon is "so" hated? He's probably one of the most popular drivers of the modern era. Yes, he is very polarizing and people tend to either love him or hate him, but try going to his hauler for an autograph before a race. One of the longest lines there. His merchandising also is one of the top sellers. I just don't get why Gordon fans insist that he is so hated. Is it because they want to feel like they are rooting for an underdog or something? As for talent, he is very talented, but todays racing comes from a combination of things, talent being only one part. He has an incredible team and Hendrick motorsports has an awesome engine program. You could stick several different current (notice I didn't say any [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]) drivers in his car with his team and they would do very well. I'm not trying to take away from him, but there is more to it than shear driving ability. There are a lot of good teams and great drivers in the sport right now. It really is anybody's championship. It does look like Hedrick is very quickly catching up to DEI in the plate racing category. Personaly, I'm still a Jarrett fan and I'd love to see him win another [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img].

Peace..........

[Hotrod]

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He would bump someone for trying to pass him, or that he did not have the skill to pass.


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Yea, him and most every other driver out there, including Gordon.

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Maybe it's just his skill that wins him the races? Maybe if someone else out there had better driving skills he wouldn't be on top?

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He's not necessarily "on top" right now. Very good, yes, but other drivers are winning championships.

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One thing I do like about NASCAR is that cheating can get you killed. Dale Sr learned it, and a lot of others who race in his name and under his influence/inspiration are going to find that out as well

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You're going to have to explain that one to me [img]/images/graemlins/scratchhead.gif[/img]. Maybe I'm just misreading or just way too stupid to figure it out [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img].

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I thought only rednecks watched Nascar. [img]/images/graemlins/scratchhead.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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Yea, so what's your point........... [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

BTW, I don't care much for plate racing. I'm more of a short track guy anyway [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

[Newc]

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Dale Sr crashed head-on into the wall as he was trying to bump someone and cause them to wipe out, but he got it instead.
I'm sure that at some point he was a good driver that won races with his skill in the pack (where it counts) but he was also one of, if not THE, biggest cheater to ever disgrace the track.
I find it amusing how when he was alive and attempting to murder other drivers (or at least cripple them due to high-speed crahes) they wouldn't hesitate to drop the hints about his "methods" being dirty, but since he died the same people are afraid to tell the same truth - like he's gonna come back and haunt them.

I'm sure there has always been a considerable amount of "rough and tussle" on the track, but Dale Sr took it to the level of "unnecessary roughness". I know it's not exactly "The Gentlemanly Sport of Auto Driving" (NASCAR was spawned from the bootlegger's trying to outrun the Feds, then graduated to which bootlegger/shinerunner had the fastest car and better driver, so these people were not exactly the most chivalrous - even running Feds into ditches and ravines or just shooting them) but it's also not Combat Racing/Win At All Costs, and Dale Sr. tried to turn it into that.

With more of the younger drivers idolizing him more than the other, better-skilled drivers, it will eventually become an Extreme sport like Ultimate Fighting On Wheels - or some video game brought to life.

[Jack The Riffer]

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Dale Sr crashed head-on into the wall as he was trying to bump someone and cause them to wipe out, but he got it instead.


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Wrong, He was blocking for the team he owned, he wasn't trying to bump anybody, just move up to keep his guys out front. It's typical plate racing. He just hadn't cleared Sterling Marlin when he moved up.

[VanOsbourne]

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Newc... its clear you hav'nt much knowledge about Nascar maybe you should stick to modding guitars......

wait, what am I saying... NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[pjg]

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Dale Sr crashed head-on into the wall as he was trying to bump someone and cause them to wipe out, but he got it instead.
I'm sure that at some point he was a good driver that won races with his skill in the pack (where it counts) but he was also one of, if not THE, biggest cheater to ever disgrace the track.
I find it amusing how when he was alive and attempting to murder other drivers (or at least cripple them due to high-speed crahes) they wouldn't hesitate to drop the hints about his "methods" being dirty, but since he died the same people are afraid to tell the same truth - like he's gonna come back and haunt them.

I'm sure there has always been a considerable amount of "rough and tussle" on the track, but Dale Sr took it to the level of "unnecessary roughness". I know it's not exactly "The Gentlemanly Sport of Auto Driving" (NASCAR was spawned from the bootlegger's trying to outrun the Feds, then graduated to which bootlegger/shinerunner had the fastest car and better driver, so these people were not exactly the most chivalrous - even running Feds into ditches and ravines or just shooting them) but it's also not Combat Racing/Win At All Costs, and Dale Sr. tried to turn it into that.

With more of the younger drivers idolizing him more than the other, better-skilled drivers, it will eventually become an Extreme sport like Ultimate Fighting On Wheels - or some video game brought to life.

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Dale Sr. was in third when he crashed with the 15 and 8 in front of him. He wasn't trying to "bump" anybody. As someone else pointed out he was trying to block Sterlings run on the bottom when he got turned into the wall. No intentional bumping, just attempted blocking. Something that happens on all multicar teams all the time. Even Hendrick. The 24 and 48 were doing a ton of it this weekend.

There is no way that he was the biggest cheater there. Absolutely no way.I am sure that their team did some, as they all do, but of all the great cheating stories out there I can't remember the #3 being involved in any of them.

Earnhardt trying to kill or cripple other drivers? Are you kidding? He used the "chrome horn" as much or more than the others but that statement is so incredible that I think you may be just baiting. There is something of an art to getting someone loose. It is an accepted practice and can be done safely.Dale did it safely most of the time with a couple of notable exceptions, the worst being Rusty's tumble. If you want to point the finger at someone who is just downright irresponsible and reckless watch Robby Gordon. That guy doesn't bump and run, he drives right through people. Even Childress thought he was too much and dumped him. (Sorry to any RG fans out there... All one of you... Yea I'm talking to you Robby's mom. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img])

Earnhardt the dirty driver? Well, that is somewhat debatable.A ton of that is playing to the image of The Intimidator" in the black car. That image made him millions upon millions of dollars. Apparently the reality off track was that he was a decent guy that gave large sums of cash to charity. But that wouldn't play well with his "bad boy" image, just like the reality of Jeff's banging every chick around fit in well with his "married devout Christian" image. Gotta watch the image, it's what pays the bills.

BTW, did you know that Dale Sr. and Jeff Gordon were really good friends off the track? They had numerous business ventures together.

[pjg]

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Interesting article on Jimmie Johnson complete with comments on Earnhardt Sr's driving style.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/story/3594728

[Newc]

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Watch the old post-race commentary footage from Richard Petty and the other drivers who were racing with him back in the days before "The Intimidator" and the large multi-driver teams - when they weren't as concerned with bad publicity for the sport, sponsors, or team owners and could pretty much say what they wanted to about each other.