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**Newc** · 06-24-2005, 04:54 PM

Re: Rifle Ranges In YOUR Backyard................

Push the board, as a Community, to only allow it if the guy builds an indoor range with thick concrete walls and a solid concrete floor, not just an outdoor, open-air berm.

Shooting ranges generate money, otherwise people wouldn't build them. Make the guy pay the money to have a proper facility built.

It's YOUR Community as much as his, but Majority Rules in this country, so make it count.

I'd definitely have whoever was missing from the meeting answer for their absence. Those are Public Servants, not autonomous entities. When a meeting is called, they have to be there. If they're too old and infirm to attend, they need to be replaced this week.

I have nothing against shooting ranges or guns. I have a problem with automatic/assault weapons being publicly available, but see nothing wrong with a single-action rifle or handgun that must be cocked after every shot, however, if the criminals have Uzis and AKs, then Joe Public needs one to even the odds. Joe Public also needs to take the initiative and teach his damn kids not to touch a gun unless specifically told to do so, but that's a whole 'nother argument.

**YetAnotherOne** · 06-24-2005, 05:46 PM

Re: Rifle Ranges In YOUR Backyard................

People in rural areas tend to own a lot of guns (at least they did in the rural area in which I grew up). People who have guns are going to find places to fire them. If there's no convenient range (because such have been zoned out of existence) they'll be shooting wherever they believe they can do so. Ask yourself whether guns that are going to be fired anyway are better fired in a safe and controlled environment or in areas with no safeguards, no preparation, and no supervision. To me that's a no-brainer.

**Dolan** · 06-24-2005, 06:24 PM

Re: Rifle Ranges In YOUR Backyard................

Sorry, its NOT a no brainer. In our rural area, we have respect for each and have young children so we DONT fire guns at random. There ARE 3 other ranges in our county and Mr YetAnotherOne would YOU want it in your back yard? Its a no brainer, answer yes or no and dont elaborate. We are talking high powered rifles.........your right it is a no brainer, no high power rifles in my neighborhood.

**YetAnotherOne** · 06-24-2005, 06:37 PM

Re: Rifle Ranges In YOUR Backyard................

Sure, a range in my neighborhood wouldn't bother me at all. Of course people hunted regularly on my family's land (including the land our house sat on) when I was growing up so I don't have any irrational fear of firearms. On a properly designed and supervised range shooting is a safe activity both for participants and the neighbors.

I can also tell you that there wasn't a readily acessible range in our county. There was, however, an abandoned rock quarry about 100 yards outside of the town near where I lived. Guess what happened a LOT at the quarry? Yep, you got it: shooting, lots & lots & lots of shooting. Think there was any supervision there? Think proper barriers had been erected (FYI most people shot towards a golf course that lay a couple hudred yards from the quarry across some railroad tracks and they propped their targets up against saplings that had taken root in the gravel after the quarry went abandoned). Thankfully no one was ever injured (this should tell you something about the odds of a stray bullet from a proper range piercing someone's skull - hint: they're one Hell of a lot longer than the odds of someone in my town accidentally shooting someone on the golf course, something which hasn't happened in my lifetime).

Personally I think the "1000 yards from a public road" bit is asinine as well. Where I grew up that would have prohibited shooting ranges in an area of at least 100 miles in any direction as public (gravel) roads were laid out on a 1-mile x 1-mile grid. I've already explained what happens when proper safe solutions are legislated away and that sort of thing is NOT good for the community whether or not it ever causes a problem.

Again: a safe & proper range is, in my own personal experience, a no-brainer for a community that includes persons who own firearms. The alternative is much more dangerous though those of you with irrational fears of firearms will be able to sit on your high horses and cluck knowingly when someone is killed by a stray bullet that impacts in one of your children because it wasn't stopped by the berm at the nonexistant range you campaigned against.

My sincerest apologies for not agreeing with you, it appears that you didn't really want opinions you wanted reinforcement. You won't be getting it from me. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

**StukaJU87** · 06-24-2005, 06:39 PM

Re: Rifle Ranges In YOUR Backyard................

Is the line ready? Ready on the left. Ready on the right. All ready on the firing line. With a magazine and 20 rounds, lock and load. You may commence firing.

**Dolan** · 06-24-2005, 06:49 PM

Re: Rifle Ranges In YOUR Backyard................

Your right, you deserve your opinion and I asked for it and its not the answer I wanted to hear. Thats fine and I shouldnt get so defensive but, I do because of my 4 year old and not being able to take her for a walk down the road for fear of her being shot by accident. Where I live, there is plenty of acreage for a range. Its not just the bullets its also the noise and the traffic. You support these types of things, I dont. Thats the no brainer here and as I said, I respect your opinion and I apologize for offending you. If he wants a range, build an indoor range and I'll support him 100%. I'm sure with all the guns in rural areas here he'll certainly make his money back.

**AK47** · 06-24-2005, 06:50 PM

Re: Rifle Ranges In YOUR Backyard................

Really that is not going to happen with a rifle range. No one is going to accidentally get hit by a stray bullet. My issue would be with the noise. The way I have seen outdoor ranges run I dont think you would even have to worry about a stray lead bullet landing on your property. I just wouldnt want one because of the noise issue in my neighborhood.

**xenophobe** · 06-24-2005, 07:23 PM

Re: Rifle Ranges In YOUR Backyard................

A range in the neighborhood would be the best thing ever. I live in sub-urban/urban sprawl, so it's not gonna happen.

I would love a local place to bring my AK's and other semi-automatic assault weapons. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

As for shooting ranges, that's a controlled envoironment to shoot firearms. Safe and sane. It will also have to abide by business hours.

If I lived in your neighborhood, in an unincorporated county area, and had a few acres, you would be hearing that anyways. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

**YetAnotherOne** · 06-24-2005, 07:24 PM

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Dolan I'm not offended, I just don't agree with you. Next time don't ask for opinions say, "Here's what I think, could some of you reinforce this for me?" and I'll stay out of your thread. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

While no one was picked off on the golf course back home a classmate and good friend of mine was killed when her boyfriend's rifle "accidentally discharged" while she was setting a target for him in a secluded area they sometimes visited when shooting. That shouldn't have happened and in a proper environment it wouldn't have. That, too, could be your youngster in a few years.

I do agree with the above comment though, a proper range will make the odds of any stray bullets escaping extremely long. Your youngster is probably several orders of magnitude more likely to die in your car as to be injured or killed by a stray bullet from a proper range.

Noise would be an issue but the regulatory process is the perfect time to extract concessions from the prospective range operator. Limit the hours & days of the week he can operate; have your council assert control over how the range will be designed, etc. There are a lot of options and opportunities now that you may miss out on if you support only a binary "yes" or "no" option. Extracting concessions will be infinitely easeier now while the outcome is still uncertain than it will be if he wins the right to open the range.

If you're in a sparsely populated rural area and there are already three other local ranges I can't see traffic being much of a problem as shooting ranges are pretty much fungible and people will tend to visit one that's convenient rather than going far out of their way to see another just like it.

**YetAnotherOne** · 06-24-2005, 07:25 PM

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If I lived in your neighborhood, in an unincorporated county area, and had a few acres, you would be hearing that anyways. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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I rest my case Dolan. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

**AK47** · 06-24-2005, 08:30 PM

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A range in the neighborhood would be the best thing ever. I live in sub-urban/urban sprawl, so it's not gonna happen.

I would love a local place to bring my AK's and other semi-automatic assault weapons. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

As for shooting ranges, that's a controlled envoironment to shoot firearms. Safe and sane. It will also have to abide by business hours.

If I lived in your neighborhood, in an unincorporated county area, and had a few acres, you would be hearing that anyways. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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An indoor range in my neighborhood would be the best thing ever. An outdoor one here in Mountain View would never happen.

At my place in Redding I still would not want an outfoor range nearby because of the noise, that is what I meant.

**LouSiffer** · 06-24-2005, 09:31 PM

Re: Rifle Ranges In YOUR Backyard................

Keep in mind Congress just passed a law saying anyone can seize YOUR property if it proves to be profitable to the community. That means, if he proves it is in anyway a benefit top the community, he can seize and purchase any land he wants. Walmart, Target, etc. can walk right in with the correct paper work, say we are giving you fair market value ( which means you are getting ripped off ) for your home/property and you have no say in it. Kind of a screwed up law if you ask me. -Lou

**Brad** · 06-24-2005, 10:02 PM

Re: Rifle Ranges In YOUR Backyard................

I wish I had a range in my neighborhood. I live in a small size city with plenty of rural area and still have to drive 25-30 minutes to the closest range. I'd welcome it. Plus, it teaches proper control of your weapon.

**Dolan** · 06-24-2005, 10:40 PM

Re: Rifle Ranges In YOUR Backyard................

So you guys in favor of a range wouldnt mind the loud noise from it all day long, including the weekends? Sound travels fast and far out in the sticks as some of you know. Granted, most of us are at work but some people do work in the evenings though there is only one person in our neighborhood, a nurse who does the night thing.

Seriously, its his property and he is free to do what he wants with it and I will/would support it if in fact the noise wouldnt be unbearable though I still wouldnt take my daughter and family for a bike ride past the range while it was in use. Noise doesnt have to be loud to be a nuisance. Just think of being forced to listen to Yngwie Malmsteen for 6-8 hours everyday. Some may like it but I wouldnt and I bet most couldnt tolerate that all day long. I wouldnt have to worry about a range listening to Yngwie all day because I'd end up in the looney bin!

Theres some good points those in favor make. Controlled shoots without a bunch of pyschos ( I hope these people are screened) is good. It sure beats some of the hunters I've seen buying beer 6:00-7:00 in the morning.

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