Bringing dogs back to life after 3 hours of death

[MBreinin]

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I lost my dad 3 1/2 years ago and a week does not go by without me crying at least once. I miss him terribly.
I would still make the trade today, for testing on whatever, to find a cure for his disease.

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I lost my mother 5 years ago to cancer. 13 days shy of her 54th birthday. She had cancer 4 times, dating from her early 30's. It is not easy, and never gets really any easier.

Unfortunately, the business of treating cancer is much too lucrative to really divert enough funds into curing cancer.

You can blame your wonderful drug companies for that...and the government that supports them.

Mike

[Joe_Steeler]

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"Unfortunately, the business of treating cancer is much too lucrative to really divert enough funds into curing cancer."

Sad and for humanity's sake, I hope is not true.
However I think you are right Mike.

[sully]

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okay, i didn't read through all of the posts here, but they're not talking about keeping people in this state for days, weeks, etc. we're talking hours, people.

this kind of thing gives the medical profession extra time; say someone bleeds to death on a table; you can fix that. this really is no different from a defibrillator; you'd just have the ability to save someone after a few hours. i can't imagine anyone not wanting to use that option if they were in that situation. imagine that a loved one is in surgery or something and they died on the table. if they could be saved with no difference in their brain function, etc, wouldn't you want them to do that? yep. you would. just condier the factual information, and remove your moral belief for a second. it's no different than a defib.

good point about the whole "soul" issue, for sure. then again, i've been dead and jolted back to life, so i guess maybe i have a bit of a different outlook.

and yeah, wtf is with that dog picture?

sully

[veliyasin]

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They should research this, hopefully it could be used on people who die in wars to bring them back.

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Wow! More cannon fodder for all the armies of the world! Rejoice!

Human life is fucking worthless in the today's world as it is. This will only make it more expendable. Way to go.

[ApeDosMil]

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They should research this, hopefully it could be used on people who die in wars to bring them back.

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Wow! More cannon fodder for all the armies of the world! Rejoice!

Human life is fucking worthless in the today's world as it is. This will only make it more expendable. Way to go.

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So the choice of leaving someone dead from fighting in a war as opposed to trying to revive them is bad? [img]/images/graemlins/scratchhead.gif[/img]

Of course Human Life is worthless these days, Bush doesn't care about the people who died. This could save those lives.

[pro-fusion]

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okay, i didn't read through all of the posts here, but they're not talking about keeping people in this state for days, weeks, etc. we're talking hours, people.

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+1

This is really no different than packing a severed limb in ice to preserve it for a short time until it can be reattached. The freezing process simply preserves a dying person in stasis until they can be treated--it does not really bring the already deceased back to life. Anyway, long term preservation of a body is a questionable proposition at best.

[Hotrod]

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Of course Human Life is worthless these days, Bush doesn't care about the people who died. This could save those lives.

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[img]/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img] Whatever, I figured some small minded fool would try to turn this into some kind of political debate.

[veliyasin]

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So the choice of leaving someone dead from fighting in a war as opposed to trying to revive them is bad? [img]/images/graemlins/scratchhead.gif[/img]

Of course Human Life is worthless these days, Bush doesn't care about the people who died. This could save those lives.

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Do you think they will really send people who got revived back to their families? They will just pat their back and send them back to the battlefield or streets of Fallujah in your example.

[MOSHWITZ]

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more research and keep testing i say [img]/images/graemlins/headbang.gif[/img] we must keep pushing the envelope to move forward as a species.
MOSH ON
DAVE

[GodOfRhythm]

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Well in that respect, I personally think human kind does not deserve to move forward. And we'll self destruct sooner or later, hopefully sooner than later.

[charvelguy]

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"I'm trying to understand the extreme negative reactions here, but I just don't get it."

The point is where do you draw the line of what is beneficial-you don't or it becomes morally debatable like stem cell. Once you cross a threshold.. it just keeps branching. There are good and practical benefits, sure. I don't want to sound closed minded on it but I think dynamite started out with the same intent.

Plus, I kinda side with Joe-Steeler's views (Joe, I hear your pain)

[the_drip]

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This technique is very interesting, but the difference in psychology between dogs and humans is great.

I personally think someone who gets killed gruesomely, with a headshot or something. And then gets revived several days later with this technique, is going to be in a f'ed up mental state.

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I don't think this'll save somebody from a gunshot to the head...you are fucked there no matter what.. brain damage is irreversable.

this is more for like...lost limbs and stuff like that.



the thin I don't like about it is.....what the hell would being dead for 3 or 4 hours be like? THen suddenly thrown back into existence.

It'd be interesting to find out. But I dont' think alot of people will like the result. I bet it'll lead to insanity of some sort. really fucked up shit.

[MBreinin]

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I don't think it would have those types of serious mental health issues. It is not as if you would be conscious throughout the experience. It would be akin to being under heavy anesthesia...that is my theory.

Mike

[sully]

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scenario #1 - your significant other, (and let's say mother of your children) gets into a car accident and is bleeding severely. she's rushed to the hospital, but bleeds to death before she can be stabilized.

scenario #2 - another loved one is attacked brutally and dies.

scenario #3 - yet another loved one is receiving surgery, and would up until now, die on the operating table.

none of you can sit there and say that you would let them die if you knew that they could be saved and live a normal life from this procedure. this isn't raising lazarus from the dead, or reanimating ted williams (which i'm all for; we can always use him as a hitting coach) from cryogenics. this is simply another form of resuscitation. why don't people rant about being frozen? i think it's because there's no real science that would cure the ailments that have these people frozen currently. if you're against this, you should at least be consistent and be against any and all kinds of forms of resuscitation. and if you are, then i have no issue with you; i just think you're wrong. and that's okay.

look only at the science; there is no reason to inject morality into this. personally, i think that's where a lot of potentially great advances in medicine get the shaft in this country. people are very unable to set their own baggage aside for a minute and look solely at data and fact.

sully

[the_drip]

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I don't think it would have those types of serious mental health issues. It is not as if you would be conscious throughout the experience. It would be akin to being under heavy anesthesia...that is my theory.

Mike

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the brain, is no good after about 10 minutes without oxygen.

I don't get how this could ever work without turning everyone into vegetables.